steve_b_wales Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 A couple of years ago, I asked on here, about fitting a permanent light up my attic. At the moment, I just have a strip light connected to a lead/plug. I seem to remember that a live power source can be taken from the rose on my bedroom ceiling. But I'm not sure where the actual live supply is on the rose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 The problem these days is 'rules and regs'; I don't believe you are 'allowed' to do this. Anything not to regs would be liable to be picked up in a survey (for example if you were selling or had an insurance claim). I would also suggest that if you don't know - or have any way of finding out what is live - it would be better to call in an electrician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshie Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 I don't think there's anything against regs to do it as you suggested. As above, if you aren't sure, get a pro into do it. *Purely for information purposes*, inside a ceiling rose you'll usually see 3 connector blocks. 2 blocks of 3 and 1 block of 2. The 2 block is for the switched live from the light switch and to the light fitting. The block of 3 with blue (black if very old) wires going to it is for the neutrals and the other 3 block with brown wires (red if old) going to it is the permanent live. There's also a connection for the earths. Hope this helps whoever does it for you. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wascal Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 2 hours ago, walshie said: I don't think there's anything against regs to do it as you suggested. As above, if you aren't sure, get a pro into do it. adding lighting points (light fittings and switches) to an existing circuit is not notifiable . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arron yeates Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 Just make sure when or if your working on this as u say. That no one turns the light switch on whilat your up there working on it unless you kill the upstairs lighting circuit first. However if your not sure get some one in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 29 minutes ago, Arron yeates said: Just make sure when or if your working on this as u say. That no one turns the light switch on whilat your up there working on it unless you kill the upstairs lighting circuit first. However if your not sure get some one in. Turning the light switch off will only cut the switched live not the supply. 240v will still be present. Always switch the circuit off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arron yeates Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 Yes correct... i should of known this lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 47 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: Always switch the circuit off. and test they are off before doing any works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow white Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 Test before you try I used to fit fish chip shop ranges years ago asked the owner where fuses were I pulled them out went to disconnect range had a nice surprise bloody shock somebody body had wired the lights on range to a plug upstairs bypassed the fuse board I went fxxxxg mad at the owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arron yeates Posted November 9, 2019 Report Share Posted November 9, 2019 Lol seen this loadsa times with electrics. I rebuilt my house and weve done all the electrics and found about 7 sockets down stairs all spurd from a socket upstairs... dangerouse some people are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funker Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 Use a multi meter to circuit test and watch some YouTube vids in relation to the ceiling rose there's a couple of good explanations. I'm not suggesting you can become an electrician by watching YouTube but things like ceiling roses and sockets ect are perfectly easy for a competent person to work on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted November 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 Thanks for the advice. I've fitted/moved sockets many times, I just wasn't sure about a ceiling rose wiring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 hello, can you not spur off from the lighting cable in the attic ? then fit a on/off pull switch or ? to the strip light, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted November 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 3 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: hello, can you not spur off from the lighting cable in the attic ? then fit a on/off pull switch or ? to the strip light, All cables in the attic are under the floor, fitted around the joists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 Check the lighting juice is off from the RCD and if necessary run a temporary light from a socket to work by. Check the rose has been correctly wired and test for live with a meter just to be sure - be prepared for a surprise or 2 as numpties are everywhere and some think they can work with electrics. If in doubt pull out and get someone in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted November 10, 2019 Report Share Posted November 10, 2019 22 hours ago, Yellow Bear said: and test they are off before doing any works Bit important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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