gemini52 Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 A friend of mine has just recieved his first shotgun certificate,a month or so ago i was with him at a dealers looking at guns,he quite fancied a berretta over and under,but the downside he was waiting for the certificate to arrive,the guy who owned the shop let him handle the gun to see if it fitted him ok,its a nice gun and a fair price so he paid for it and the shop agreed to hold it till the happy day arrives and the cert drops through the letter box,this is were things went a belly up the guy whose shoot we go to on a sunday who by the way is a rfd said he would pick the gun up for him,keep it till his ticket came through and he could use the gun as long as he is supervised,the day the cert came he went along to the shop he bought the gun off to have it entererd on the cert,the up shot is the shop said you had the picked up by an other rfd so get him to register the gun,now the both of them are saying its not there responsibility,so i ask the question who is responsible,the poor guy has a gun he cant take home i feel bad because i encouraged to buy the gun,any feed back would be appreciated as long as its positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 Interesting, it would take about 10 minutes for the whole process to be sorted out, I wonder why both RFDs seem less than keen to finish the job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted December 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Interesting, it would take about 10 minutes for the whole process to be sorted out, I wonder why both RFDs seem less than keen to finish the job? My thoughts aswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) Perhaps it is time for you as the instigator to approach both of the RFDs and point out they will shortly be losing a potential lifelong customer! Edited December 4, 2019 by TIGHTCHOKE SPELLAGE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spurs 14 Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 Good point , you would think they would be fighting over getting a new customer , accessories , cartridges etc don’t really understand why the second guy doesn’t just do the paperwork ? For me he was the last one to deal with it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted December 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, spurs 14 said: Good point , you would think they would be fighting over getting a new customer , accessories , cartridges etc don’t really understand why the second guy doesn’t just do the paperwork ? For me he was the last one to deal with it ? The second guy does not have a shop he operates from home,but the shop he bought the gun from yes i agree hes a future customer will be going back to the shop at the weekend to see if we can work somrthing out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impala59 Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 Smells like money to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 If it was me, when all sorted out, id be looking for a new gun shop, stuff the pair of them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 Who currently has the gun in their possession then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted December 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: Who currently has the gun in their possession then? The guy who owns the shoot has the gun , just spoke to another mate he will pick the gun up sat and come with me to try and sort it,prob have to wave some cash under the noses, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 minute ago, gemini52 said: The guy who owns the shoot has the gun , just spoke to another mate he will pick the gun up sat and come with me to try and sort it,prob have to wave some cash under the noses, So the bloke who owns the shoot has collected the gun (he is a RFD), it does not belong to him, and he is refusing to hand it over to your mate(who it does belong to) ? And the gun shop where he bought the gun from, handed it over to the shoot owner ... did they sign it over to him? If not then the gun is still on the original gun shops books? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, gemini52 said: The guy who owns the shoot has the gun , just spoke to another mate he will pick the gun up sat and come with me to try and sort it,prob have to wave some cash under the noses, Did the original RFD sign it over to the RFD that is in possession now? Who does the police think is in possession of the gun? Surley both RFDs have informed the police of the transfer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 id get on to feo,an drop them both in the brown stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spurs 14 Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 That’s probably your ace card when you go to the shop if they won’t sort it out tell them your washing your hands of it and putting it the hands of your feo to sort out ! And would they let the other rfd know to expect a visit ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, gemini52 said: A friend of mine has just recieved his first shotgun certificate,a month or so ago i was with him at a dealers looking at guns,he quite fancied a berretta over and under,but the downside he was waiting for the certificate to arrive,the guy who owned the shop let him handle the gun to see if it fitted him ok,its a nice gun and a fair price so he paid for it and the shop agreed to hold it till the happy day arrives and the cert drops through the letter box,this is were things went a belly up the guy whose shoot we go to on a sunday who by the way is a rfd said he would pick the gun up for him,keep it till his ticket came through and he could use the gun as long as he is supervised,the day the cert came he went along to the shop he bought the gun off to have it entererd on the cert,the up shot is the shop said you had the picked up by an other rfd so get him to register the gun,now the both of them are saying its not there responsibility,so i ask the question who is responsible,the poor guy has a gun he cant take home i feel bad because i encouraged to buy the gun,any feed back would be appreciated as long as its positive. If your friend paid in full for the beretta shotgun then the original RFD has sold a shotgun to a person who did not have a shotgun certificate which is again the firearms act, for this reason I was told that is why my RFD only ever takes a deposit, but not full payment under such circumstances. i can understand why the second rfd may not want to record the “sale” on to the certificate as they may become liable under the sales of goods act for any repairs or replacement, but as said it all depends under what circumstances the original rfd has passed the shotgun on to the 2nd rfd ie sold, give, transferred. If it becomes a problem a phone call to your FEO should quickly sort the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 As far as I can make out the second RFD would have signed for the gun when he collected it from the shop - it is now his responsibility to ensure the legal transfer to the actual owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted December 5, 2019 Report Share Posted December 5, 2019 As above is my understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted December 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2019 20 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: So the bloke who owns the shoot has collected the gun (he is a RFD), it does not belong to him, and he is refusing to hand it over to your mate(who it does belong to) ? And the gun shop where he bought the gun from, handed it over to the shoot owner ... did they sign it over to him? If not then the gun is still on the original gun shops books? what i thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted December 5, 2019 Report Share Posted December 5, 2019 Legally the seller or the shop that took the money is supposed to enter it on his SGC, but we all know it’s often the RFD who hands over the gun. Now some forces will point out it not strictly legal to sell (take money) for a gun off an non license holder as well. not sure why both are being difficult they’ve already do most of the paperwork! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesj Posted December 5, 2019 Report Share Posted December 5, 2019 The rfd (or person) that sold the gun should fill in the paper work, but I can't see that they should have transferred it to anyone else before they had filled in the paper work. looking at it from their point of view the rfd could have done any thing to the gun and they would be liable for repairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini52 Posted December 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2019 All sorted another rfd we know after my mate explained the situation agreed to do the paper work for free,so north wales shooting school has lost another customer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted December 7, 2019 Report Share Posted December 7, 2019 Glad this strange situation got sorted out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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