Cummings in the soup?

[Retsdon]

The reality is that Boris can't sack him anymore than Emu could sack Rod Hull.

[Sussexboy]

I agree that he has been a little unwise in his actions (not just this particular one), however I find it very disingenuous that everybody seems to find all the rules surrounding lock down totally confusing and impossible to follow, yet they are crystal clear when applied to Mr. Cummings!

[oowee]

17 minutes ago, Sussexboy said:

I agree that he has been a little unwise in his actions (not just this particular one), however I find it very disingenuous that everybody seems to find all the rules surrounding lock down totally confusing and impossible to follow, yet they are crystal clear when applied to Mr. Cummings!

The  rules if you have symptoms is to stay at home and not leave for any circumstances. How clear was that? 

He should be sacked on the spot. BJ should rethink the matter. 

[Sussexboy]

@oowee I know that, and you know that. How many times per day do we see or hear people saying that the rules are unclear. He did wrong, no excuses. I was merely pointing out the lack of balance.

[oowee]

Just now, Sussexboy said:

@oowee I know that, and you know that. How many times per day do we see or hear people saying that the rules are unclear. He did wrong, no excuses. I was merely pointing out the lack of balance.

Rest of the rules were as clear as mud but I could follow this one  🙂 

[AVB]

12 minutes ago, oowee said:

The  rules if you have symptoms is to stay at home and not leave for any circumstances. How clear was that? 

He should be sacked on the spot. BJ should rethink the matter. 

Other than the fact that the CMO very clearly said, in March,  that making arrangement for the care of young children was an exception. 
 

so very clear that he didn’t break the ‘rules’. 

[lancer425]

3 minutes ago, AVB said:

Other than the fact that the CMO very clearly said, in March,  that making arrangement for the care of young children was an exception. 
 

so very clear that he didn’t break the ‘rules’. 

There you go again posting facts. They do not want facts just baying for blood.

Cummings metaphorical head on a spike at the gates of "sinistervile " is what they want.   Sorry lads nothing to see here , Move on.

[Retsdon]

If Cummings thought he was doing nothing wrong, why did he go to such length to cover it up. His wife wrote an a guest piece in the Mail that as good as stated that they'd been in London the whole time. Why would she do that?

Anyway, let's not be naive. It's a matter of politics, not law. The very fact that Cummings dodged the lockdown undermines the government's authority. That's just how it is and wrong and right don't enter into it. As one of the Tory MPs said today, when a political advisor becomes the story he's no longer fulfilling his role. 

Cummings - rightly or wrongly is irrelevant-  has become a political liability to the Conservatives and Johnson is showing extremely bad judgement by backing him. Not just backing him but standing there and telling the country that by driving his infected wife some 260 miles across the country, Cummings was 'helping to stop the spread of the virus'. So the issue now will shift from Cummings to Johnson's questionable judgement and this government's arrogance.

It's so politically inept that you couldn't write it into a soap. But hey, I suppose this is the Johnson government...

Edited May 24, 2020 by Retsdon

[clangerman]

i hear no sign of the watch chant if you done nothing wrong you having nothing to fear if he’s done nothing wrong he could get a tv interview with one phone call and silence the so called witch hunt but that’s the last thing he’s going to do because he’s guilty and he knows it as do the public 

[crosswaters]

Well done Boris for doing the right thing just hope the blood thirsty mob don't get to upset, should sell a lot of rubbish newspapers this week.

Brexit got lot to answer for Eh    .haha 

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[Retsdon]

27 minutes ago, AVB said:

Other than the fact that the CMO very clearly said, in March,  that making arrangement for the care of young children was an exception. 

How do you know that was his reaon for driving to Durham? Because he says so? After the story broke, it took 12 hours for a response to come and then it came all at once in a series of coordinated almost word for word tweets from the usual suspects.

It might be true, it might not. The problem is that when you have a track record of deceit people are perfectly justified in suspending judgement. 

[crosswaters]

Didn't stop the media braking the lock down rules when mobbing DC outside house when trying to get in his car ....rules for one but not for them.. STINKS    

[Retsdon]

4 minutes ago, crosswaters said:

Brexit got lot to answer for Eh    .haha 

Not yet. Wait a year.

[clangerman]

that was the ideal time for cummings to explain his self you can’t catch a honest man out his only response was to insult the public further by telling the hacks to observe the rules HE broke 

[hod]

Trumpian levels of nonsense from Johnson, putting keeping Cummings in post above maintaining confidence in public health advice. 
 

One rule for them and another for us? That’s not really going to wash. People have made all sorts of sacrifices not seeing relatives, missing funerals, furlouged/made redundant. And then they see this? 
 

However this plays out, I’d imagine it will negatively effect the uptake of the trace/contact app, owing to a drop in public trust. 

[lancer425]

33 minutes ago, Retsdon said:

If Cummings thought he was doing nothing wrong, why did he go to such length to cover it up. His wife wrote an a guest piece in the Mail that as good as stated that they'd been in London the whole time. Why would she do that?

Anyway, let's not be naive. It's a matter of politics, not law. The very fact that Cummings dodged the lockdown undermines the government's authority. That's just how it is and wrong and right don't enter into it. As one of the Tory MPs said today, when a political advisor becomes the story he's no longer fulfilling his role. 

Cummings - rightly or wrongly is irrelevant-  has become a political liability to the Conservatives and Johnson is showing extremely bad judgement by backing him. Not just backing him but standing there and telling the country that by driving his infected wife some 260 miles across the country, Cummings was 'helping to stop the spread of the virus'. So the issue now will shift from Cummings to Johnson's questionable judgement and this government's arrogance.

It's so politically inept that you couldn't write it into a soap. But hey, I suppose this is the Johnson government...

Because he did not want a media **** storm, revved up by a load of sinister wing news media. Any parent who says they would not have done exactly the same as he did in his exact situation  is a liar or a **** parent.

 

[panoma1]

In today’s televised Coronavirus briefing, a reporter (Ian Watson) asking questions (presumably from the BBC newsroom) had problems with the audio....he was helped at least twice by a technician, to get his sound on!........the technician was leaning over him!. ....so much for social distancing.....oh! I forgot, it doesn’t apply to the press!

But they gleefully put the knife in to others, especially those of the wrong political colour and/or those they don’t like!

[lancer425]

2 minutes ago, hod said:

Trumpian levels of nonsense from Johnson, putting keeping Cummings in post above maintaining confidence in public health advice. 
 

One rule for them and another for us? That’s not really going to wash. People have made all sorts of sacrifices not seeing relatives, missing funerals, furlouged/made redundant. And then they see this? 
 

However this plays out, I’d imagine it will negatively effect the uptake of the trace/contact app, owing to a drop in public trust. 

Here is a tenner turn it into a grand for me by 10pm your good at making something from nothing.

[hod]

Just now, lancer425 said:

Here is a tenner turn it into a grand for me by 10pm your good at making something from nothing.

You think that I’m making something out of nothing, that is literally all over all the front pages and top of every news broadcast? 

[oowee]

It looks straighforward case of rule breaking which in the case of those with symptoms is very clear (do not leave home under any circumstances) bring in your best mate to investigate and clear up the matter, to then stand up in public and defend the bloke, just compounds the mistake. You do not and cannot  investigate your friends impartialy. BJ must believe the public are fawning fools. 

Edited May 24, 2020 by oowee

[TRINITY]

My opinion, right or wrong, sometimes you have to take a hit for the sake of the team. Cummings should walk voluntary and sit it out and let the dust settle.

However the thing that amuses me most is these witnesses who are now saying they are sure they have seen him. Could sightings of Cummings be this countries equivalent to the sightings of bigfoot or the tasmanian tiger. You watch they will be flooding in when the nutters think they can make a few Bob by contacting the left wing rags.

[big bad lindz]

22 hours ago, MirokuMK70 said:

He drove from london to durham knowing that both he and his wife were infected. Theres no way they did that with a 4 yr old without stopping somewhere for loo breaks and no doubt needed to fill the car too. The man is a complete purple helmet.

If he has traveled that distance with his 4 year old in the car then the kid was more at risk than if they all stayed at home and then possibly passing it on to the people who were going to look after him.  Not even considering the pit stops.  Track Trace Isolate, what a joker

Cummings should have then stayed up north rather than going back "home" to London.

I am really fortunate where I live as we have had little or no exposure to it but I really feel for all the people who have been affected over the past few months. 

[AVB]

9 minutes ago, oowee said:

It looks straighforward case of rule breaking which in the case of those with symptoms is very clear (do not leave home under any circumstances) bring in your best mate to investigate and clear up the matter, to then stand up in public and defend the bloke, just compounds the mistake. You do not and cannot  investigate your friends impartialy. BJ must believe the public are fawning fools. 

This is from the Government website regarding what to do if showing signs of CV-19. 

 

If you are living with children

Keep following this advice to the best of your ability, however, we are aware that not all these measures will be possible.

What we have seen so far is that children with coronavirus (COVID-19) appear to be less severely affected. It is nevertheless important to do your best to follow this guidance.

so NOT a “straightforward case of rule breaking”

[Retsdon]

11 minutes ago, lancer425 said:

Because he did not want a media **** storm, revved up by a load of sinister wing news media.

As Nixon could have told him, it's not the crime that does the damage, it's the cover up.

12 minutes ago, lancer425 said:

Any parent who says they would not have done exactly the same as he did in his exact situation

I have no idea what his situation was and neither do you. We know what he says his situation was but that's not the same thing at all. You choose to believe he was desperate. That's belief.

I neither believe nor disbelieve him. All I know is that he drove 270 miles in direct contravention of the guidelines, laws, whatever that he'd just been party to drawing up and then he had his wife write a smokescreen piece in the newspaper to cover his action. So his word can't be trusted. Those are just facts. 

[oowee]

11 minutes ago, AVB said:

This is from the Government website regarding what to do if showing signs of CV-19. 

 

If you are living with children

Keep following this advice to the best of your ability, however, we are aware that not all these measures will be possible.

What we have seen so far is that children with coronavirus (COVID-19) appear to be less severely affected. It is nevertheless important to do your best to follow this guidance.

so NOT a “straightforward case of rule breaking”

Cummings had the virus. The rules cannot be clearer. Nothing about kids. 

Can I leave my home if I'm self-isolating?

If you or someone you live with has symptoms of coronavirus:

• do not leave your home for any reason – if you need food or medicine, order it online or by phone, or ask someone to deliver it to your home
• do not have visitors in your home – including friends and family
• do any exercise at home – you can use your garden, if you have one