Johnson’s support waning?

[matone]

5 hours ago, Rim Fire said:

I don't think gove would think twice about stabbing him in the back again to become prime minister 

I think anyone would keep Gove permanently in front of them....a treacherous creep.

[oowee]

8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I bet old Theresa May is ******* herself “ YOU WANTED THE JOB BORIS NOW GET ON WITH IT” 

I reckon so but I think she, as a boring detailed person, would have done a far better job than our donkey. To be fair any old tool could do. 

[WalkedUp]

 

11 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I bet old Theresa May is ******* herself “ YOU WANTED THE JOB BORIS NOW GET ON WITH IT” 

She made the mistake of being too reasonable in a world of madness. May was the only true country sports advocate in government. Wanted a free vote to repeal the ban on hunting with dogs. I bet many a fool on here was gunning at her to get Johnson. He would sell us out if it meant he won a single vote more than he lost, or it kept one of his pals happy. Look at Goldsmith. BoJo is not a true sportsman, he’s not a true anything. His only instinct is political survival.

Edited November 1, 2020 by WalkedUp

[blackbird]

2 minutes ago, oowee said:

I reckon so but I think she, as a boring detailed person, would have done a far better job than our donkey. To be fair any old tool could do. 

100% 👍

[12gauge82]

8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

100% 👍

May has the personality of a log and is scared of her own shadow, she makes lots of noise but when it comes to taking real action she sat there, just look at brexit, May said it couldn't be done, Johnson at least backed what the country voted for, as for hunting with dogs, I think a lot (not all) but many messed that up for themselves. 

[oowee]

3 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

May has the personality of a log and is scared of her own shadow, she makes lots of noise but when it comes to taking real action she sat there, just look at brexit, May said it couldn't be done, Johnson at least backed what the country voted for, as for hunting with dogs, I think a lot (not all) but many messed that up for themselves. 

Shame he has no plan for either Brexit or Covid. Something will happen that's for sure. 

[Walker570]

5 hours ago, Gordon R said:

Forget Labour. They have a long wait for an election and the Tories are hardly likely to gift them one.

Boris may survive, he may not. Starmer will have enough of a problem quelling discontent in his own party.  

Got to admire the bright sparks who advocated an earlier lockdown, claiming it was the answer. No-one has got a grip on Covid 19, despite differing approaches. If this one works - they will claim it should have been done earlier. If it doesn't they will make the same claim, with absolutely nothing to back it up. Scientists can't agree among themselves, so who are the Government supposed to listen to? 

Spot on.  It is here and is here to stay.  It is not going away anytime soon and we all just need to get on with our lives and take sensible common sense precautions. Get the country back on it's feet again.  How long can you go on not being able to pay your mortgage and the load on your car and just esentials.  The country cannot afford to keep paying out furloughs when no wages are being earned and therefore no tax being paid.  We cannot live in lah lah land forever.

[Newbie to this]

10 minutes ago, Walker570 said:

Spot on.  It is here and is here to stay.  It is not going away anytime soon and we all just need to get on with our lives and take sensible common sense precautions. Get the country back on it's feet again.  How long can you go on not being able to pay your mortgage and the load on your car and just esentials.  The country cannot afford to keep paying out furloughs when no wages are being earned and therefore no tax being paid.  We cannot live in lah lah land forever.

^^^This

[johnphilip]

11 minutes ago, Walker570 said:

Spot on.  It is here and is here to stay.  It is not going away anytime soon and we all just need to get on with our lives and take sensible common sense precautions. Get the country back on it's feet again.  How long can you go on not being able to pay your mortgage and the load on your car and just esentials.  The country cannot afford to keep paying out furloughs when no wages are being earned and therefore no tax being paid.  We cannot live in lah lah land forever.

This .

16 minutes ago, oowee said:

Shame he has no plan for either Brexit or Covid. Something will happen that's for sure. 

And what would you have done . 

[oowee]

2 minutes ago, johnphilip said:

This .

And what would you have done . 

Independent cross party / nation working group. A problem shared is a problem halved. 

Short simple national messages with some enforcement. Jump on anyone breaking the rules in the public space (figures in power sports personalities etc)

Local sourced and managed track and trace. Decentralise support budget. Feathered the furlough scheme. Sheltered the most vulnerable. Put the nightingale resources into local hospitals first to save resource. 

 

What would you have done?

[WalkedUp]

Getting agreement with the devolved powers before any announcement would be key. That has been a big cause of confusion and was foreseeable and avoidable. 

Secondly was to not delay lockdown. A stitch in time saves nine. 

[AVB]

I would have done the following:

1) recognised that lockdowns won’t prevent lots of deaths 

2) built lots of morgues 

3) built the Nightingale hospitals (and used them) 

4) prepared people for bad news re: deaths but balanced total deaths and less focus on only ‘covid’ deaths

5) shielded the vulnerable 

6) kept the economy going. 

[johnphilip]

41 minutes ago, oowee said:

Independent cross party / nation working group. A problem shared is a problem halved. 

Short simple national messages with some enforcement. Jump on anyone breaking the rules in the public space (figures in power sports personalities etc)

Local sourced and managed track and trace. Decentralise support budget. Feathered the furlough scheme. Sheltered the most vulnerable. Put the nightingale resources into local hospitals first to save resource. 

 

What would you have done?

Well number  one won't work  there would be to much cross party fighting and nothing getting done.  To much goal scoring .

Number two ... agree

Number three.... here in Scotland  they have a different  track and trace to the rest of the UK .bad idea  they can't talk to each other . I sort of belive the testing is a bit of a bad idea . Its like a MOT on a car . Only good on the day .to many cases been reported  as positive  when people have not even been tested . People getting texted say they were positive because  they did not turn up for there tests .

No way can you shelter all the most vulnerable , because we don't know who is .

Hospitals  only have so much space for both beds and equipment. Turns out all these extra  area set up were not needed .

The toothpaste is out of the tube , there is no way you can push it back in . 

All we can do is hope the virus  dies out or a good vaccine  is found . We can't keep going into lockdowns for ever , are we not just putting of the inevitable. 

The Spanish flu did pass in time . Since  it passed all these years later did we worry it would come back . No we just got on with our lives . We have no idea how this will go , but we have to try and get back to some form of normal  life . Wear your mask wash your hands , like we have been doing . There is no government  anywhere in the world has the right answer . How many other countries have had this furlough  and people been payed not to work . It has to stop  sometime .

 

[JohnfromUK]

27 minutes ago, johnphilip said:

Well number  one won't work  there would be .........

Can't argue with much of that post.  The extras (Nightingales) may yet be needed - I hope not but only time will tell.

[Mice!]

2 hours ago, oowee said:

Independent cross party / nation working group. A problem shared is a problem halved. 

Never work, look at the Manchester lockdown scenario. 

1 hour ago, AVB said:

I would have done the following:

1) recognised that lockdowns won’t prevent lots of deaths 

2) built lots of morgues 

3) built the Nightingale hospitals (and used them) 

4) prepared people for bad news re: deaths but balanced total deaths and less focus on only ‘covid’ deaths

5) shielded the vulnerable 

6) kept the economy going. 

So you ' in hindsight ' would have said lots are going to die and that's unfortunate?? And you think people would have gone along with that?

I'm sure if the initial lockdown hadn't happened things would have been really bad, bearing in mind it didn't seem that bad up North, now it's the other way around. 

[johnphilip]

And just how the police ment to control  things like this.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-54769055

[JohnfromUK]

1 minute ago, johnphilip said:

And just how the police ment to control  things like this.

I could make some suggestions - but they would probably get me banned!

[Mice!]

5 minutes ago, johnphilip said:

And just how the police ment to control  things like this.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-54769055

Not clear from the article exactly where it was but another one, muppets. 

[clangerman]

28 minutes ago, johnphilip said:

And just how the police ment to control  things like this.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-54769055

if i said open fire someone would whine so will just think it 

[johnphilip]

2 minutes ago, clangerman said:

if i said open fire someone would whine so will just think it 

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT 

[clangerman]

5 minutes ago, johnphilip said:

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT 

sorry I didn’t mean to post that one all fingers today 

[johnphilip]

7 minutes ago, clangerman said:

sorry I didn’t mean to post that one all fingers today 

I would shoot alright a coloured dye all over them that would not wash of . Then one by one arrest them and fine them .

[clangerman]

Just now, johnphilip said:

I would shoot alright a coloured dye all over them that would not wash of . Then one by one arrest them and fine them .

they need something doing my daughter needed police assistance yesterday they don’t have time for idiots at raves 

[WalkedUp]

Near me there has been 24hr police guard outside a taped off house for 3 days. There is a nice old boy with a Scottie dog who lives there with his very elderly father. Domestic incident between the two, likely to be fatal by all accounts. Huge amount of police resource as often 3/4 police vehicles. A lot of the police officers I know have said it’s been quite boring generally as crime down, leave cancelled and just mundane crowd control tasks. One is a armed anti-gang Matrix officer so she doesn’t do too much drudgery. 

Edited November 1, 2020 by WalkedUp

[oowee]

2 hours ago, johnphilip said:

Well number  one won't work  there would be to much cross party fighting and nothing getting done.  To much goal scoring .

Number two ... agree

Number three.... here in Scotland  they have a different  track and trace to the rest of the UK .bad idea  they can't talk to each other . I sort of belive the testing is a bit of a bad idea . Its like a MOT on a car . Only good on the day .to many cases been reported  as positive  when people have not even been tested . People getting texted say they were positive because  they did not turn up for there tests .

No way can you shelter all the most vulnerable , because we don't know who is .

Hospitals  only have so much space for both beds and equipment. Turns out all these extra  area set up were not needed .

The toothpaste is out of the tube , there is no way you can push it back in . 

All we can do is hope the virus  dies out or a good vaccine  is found . We can't keep going into lockdowns for ever , are we not just putting of the inevitable. 

The Spanish flu did pass in time . Since  it passed all these years later did we worry it would come back . No we just got on with our lives . We have no idea how this will go , but we have to try and get back to some form of normal  life . Wear your mask wash your hands , like we have been doing . There is no government  anywhere in the world has the right answer . How many other countries have had this furlough  and people been payed not to work . It has to stop  sometime .

 

So you have no ideas to put forward?

Of course cross party will work, they all want power and you buy co-operation with a cheque book. Hospitals do only have so much space but there is also only so much gear and so many staff to go around. The first proposition for the Nitingales robbed the existing system of ventilators, oxygen, ppe and staff. Why cannot you shelter the most vulnerable? You can protect them by testing admittance at gateways. Quaranteen bubbles ala sport. Targetted testing, targeted isolation might not be perfect but its a plan.

Our donkey had a tried and tested pandemic strategy but it was not followed, the resource call (ppe space gasses and ventilation) was ignored by Hancock, so when the pandemic arrives we are poorly prepared and under resourced. This is a government of course characterised by it's dogmatic approach to cutting services. 

1 hour ago, Mice! said:

Never work, look at the Manchester lockdown scenario. 

So you ' in hindsight ' would have said lots are going to die and that's unfortunate?? And you think people would have gone along with that?

I'm sure if the initial lockdown hadn't happened things would have been really bad, bearing in mind it didn't seem that bad up North, now it's the other way around. 

It would work with the right use of the cheque book. Giving all up front day one was not the right approach, it was the easy choice.

I agree the heard immunity approach would result in far higher levels of death than that from a more managed approach.