PCP hand pump advice

[TRINITY]

Hi guys

Just contemplating getting an hand pump for my PCP. Would much appreciate all the pros and cons from anyone with experience of these.

Thanks

 

[Ultrastu]

All pro , very few  cons in my opinion  .

 

 

[archiebald]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223546817702

I use this its great no moisture inside after last re seal 

[Dave at kelton]

Since I stopped diving I use one and if you don’t want it to get up to max pressure not too bad!

[ratchers]

My latest pcp can hold 300 BAR, whats the highest pressure reasonably got with a foot pump?

[foxbuster]

I had a stirrup pump years ago and thought it would be less hassle to get a cylinder tank. Anyway sold the pump and bought a 12l 300bar. Thought it was great until it needed topping up and getting re-tested every 5yrs (I think). With the lockdowns we’ve had found I was stuck getting it topped up. Ended up buying another pump. I suppose the pro’s with a pump are you’ve always got a means to fill your rifles. The pro’s of cylinder is that it’s a piece of p to fill rifle. Won’t be getting rid of pump this time around anyway. 

[Ultrastu]

Hand pump . 

250 bar .is doable .any more and it just gets too hard  

But then bottles only go up to 300 bar so you won't realistically be able to fill your gun up to 300 bar .290 probably but then do you want 290 bar next to your head .? 

Any reg in that gun will have to work so hard trying to hold back such high pressures that consistency could go out the window .

[clangerman]

out of a hand pump or air from a dryer compressor costing thousands of pounds it’s fill from a tank every time for me 

[Ultrastu]

I've pumped my pcps for years (15 + ) still got some of  those first guns and had  zero moisture  or rust inside any of them .

 

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, for what PCP rifle, ?

1 hour ago, archiebald said:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223546817702

I use this its great no moisture inside after last re seal 

Hello, these have been very popular with members of the UK air gun forum, 

[archiebald]

Hi! I used it in a falcon fn19 it has been great long term. No moisture problems. Im glad to hear its been handy for others too it has been good for me and it doesnt surprise me its as good as my old hills pump at a fraction of the cost. 

[oldypigeonpopper]

Hello, I started many many years ago with a pump, same as Archie a FN 19, then a AA S410, I found if you keep the rifle topped up every time you had a few shots rather than letting the pressure reduce to a few bar it's easier to pump up, only went to a cylinder when I bought a bottle type PCP, which is what I still use, unfortunately my old cylinders failed the new test so l had to buy a new 7 ltr as I mentioned on another post, at least a few more years shooting👍

Edited December 19, 2020 by oldypigeonpopper

[sam triple]

Got a Hills pump it’s not too bad keeping gun topped up with it let it run to low though it’ll give you a work out pumping it back up 

[Ultrastu]

Depends a lot on which gun you have .

Some of my pcps only want filling to around 180 bar and shoot down to 100 bar ..180 is a very easy pressure  to achive .others need 230 bar starting pressure ,which obviously takes more work .

This can be a factor when deciding  especially if you have a 500 cc bottle which wants 250 bar .(though my mate has a hills pump and an impact with 480 cc and he pumps it up to 240 bar ) .

 

[TRINITY]

Thanks for your replies so far.

I have an R10 mk2  . I think the operating pressure is 220 bar. But the gun shop that sold me it recommended I stick to 200bar. I have followed that advice and find it gives me plenty of shots and remains extremely accurate.

What has concerned me about air pumps is that I have read stuff about possible negative effects of moisture from the atmosphere getting concentrated in the gun.

[Ultrastu]

I've used fx pumps for decades and occasionally open up my guns for repair servicing etc .and have never found any moisture inside at all .

I cant vouch for cheaper Chinese pumps .but my current fx turbo mk4 is a breeze to fill my guns .selling for around £180 currently  .

Hills pump is the only other i personally would buy .

 

[oldypigeonpopper]

1 hour ago, TRINITY said:

Thanks for your replies so far.

I have an R10 mk2  . I think the operating pressure is 220 bar. But the gun shop that sold me it recommended I stick to 200bar. I have followed that advice and find it gives me plenty of shots and remains extremely accurate.

What has concerned me about air pumps is that I have read stuff about possible negative effects of moisture from the atmosphere getting concentrated in the gun.

Hello, I had a BSA R10 MK 1 in 22, that is when I changed over to a air cylinder, does it not give the Bar pressure on the rifle ? My FX is 200 Bar and I fill to 195, I do not see the point in not putting enough air in, even 5 bar is quite a few shots, if your going to use a pump keep the rifle topped up regular and it is easier to fill.

[Walker570]

15 hours ago, Ultrastu said:

Hand pump . 

250 bar .is doable .any more and it just gets too hard  

But then bottles only go up to 300 bar so you won't realistically be able to fill your gun up to 300 bar .290 probably but then do you want 290 bar next to your head .? 

Any reg in that gun will have to work so hard trying to hold back such high pressures that consistency could go out the window .

This......

10 bar either side will not make up for any bad accuracy on the shooters part in my experience.  I have a pump but now use a tank as it is much easier and quicker.

[chrisjpainter]

16 hours ago, Ultrastu said:

All pro , very few  cons in my opinion  .

 

 

Assuming it's not a 300 bar, 500cc bottle on a Daystate!

[Ultrastu]

26 minutes ago, chrisjpainter said:

Assuming it's not a 300 bar, 500cc bottle on a Daystate!

Yeah .fair enough ,but not many of those available  though .

Do daystate  go up ro 300 bar now ? 

[TRINITY]

Just had a plink in garden. R10 has 250 on its dial but like in previous post I only top up to 200. Set off at just below 200 and kept shooting to well below 100 and accuracy never altered. This suggests to me a hand pump could be a worthwhile purchase.

Now just wondering what to buy ?

[Dave at kelton]

I have an airforce one and pump to 200 bar

[Ultrastu]

A 200 cc bottle pumped to 200 bar .is a walk in the park ..

I pump my  fx it has 300 cc tube up 230 bar and that enough to do in one sesh .

 

[strimmer_13]

15 hours ago, archiebald said:

Hi! I used it in a falcon fn19 it has been great long term. No moisture problems. Im glad to hear its been handy for others too it has been good for me and it doesnt surprise me its as good as my old hills pump at a fraction of the cost. 

Same. Use mine on the fn19 and had no moisture inside as of yet. Cheap chinese thing. I'm genuinely surprised the seals haven't gone in it yet, I've had it a few years but I don't pump in one hit, I stop the cycle after every 30 bar and leave it cool for 5 mins. 

I'm tall so pumping is easy, I just have to lean over. 

[archiebald]

2 hours ago, strimmer_13 said:

Same. Use mine on the fn19 and had no moisture inside as of yet. Cheap chinese thing. I'm genuinely surprised the seals haven't gone in it yet, I've had it a few years but I don't pump in one hit, I stop the cycle after every 30 bar and leave it cool for 5 mins. 

I'm tall so pumping is easy, I just have to lean over. 

They are great, I was dubious when I baught mine. I not used it in years, got it out and still works great! I remember paying £150 for a pump in 2001.  I prefer the pump your self reliant. If I went to the range I just paid a pound for it filling several times to save time. 

And the fn19 what a great gun! 

Edited December 20, 2020 by archiebald