Conor O'Gorman Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 High Court decision ‘doesn’t change anything’, says BASC The decision by the High Court to refuse BASC interested party status in the judicial review on the Welsh general licences ‘will not stop us working’ to protect the future of wildlife management that benefits conservation, food protection and health and safety. The news comes as the High Court has granted permission for Wild Justice to proceed with the judicial review, following an application last year. The hearing will be held later this year. Caroline Bedell, BASC’s executive director of conservation, said: “Although a backwards step, the decision to refuse our application as an interested party will not stop us working closely with Natural Resources Wales (NRW) and Defra to ensure a future proof and workable set of licences. “We are extremely surprised that the judge has refused to hear the voice of those on the ground who require the use of general licences, especially when we were granted interested party status in other judicial reviews. We will be taking the necessary time to review the decision and challenge it if possible. “The judge’s decision to grant the judicial review provides no pre-requisite that Wild Justice will be successful in their case. We will continue to monitor the case exceedingly closely and continue to work towards a satisfactory outcome.” See: https://basc.org.uk/high-court-decision-doesnt-change-anything-says-basc/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrowning2 Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 Are you in denial? https://wildjustice.org.uk/general/permission-granted-for-judicial-review-of-welsh-general-licences-were-going-to-court/ Major setback, is it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 its like a bombs been dropped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemFandango Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 Thank god BASC have the fighting fund to buy lube so all we have to do is bend over and grit our teeth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted August 4, 2020 Report Share Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) I cannot find any independent corroboration of their quote that in throwing out BASC as an interested Party Mr Justice Griffiths said: ”The addition of BASC as a further Interested Party is neither necessary nor desirable and would only serve to increase the costs and prolong the proceedings” Edited August 4, 2020 by WalkedUp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted August 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2020 BASC update here: https://basc.org.uk/court-urged-to-reconsider-basc-application-in-welsh-general-licence-judicial-review/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardigun Posted August 19, 2020 Report Share Posted August 19, 2020 Well done, BASC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgy dave Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 yea if anyone could ****** it up basc will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greylag Posted August 23, 2020 Report Share Posted August 23, 2020 Don't knock them,at least they are having a go rather than sit back and throw negative remarks about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 The new Welsh GL 2021, not read it all yet but looks like rooks and collared doves are now protected in Wales….https://cyfoethnaturiolcymru.gov.uk/permits-and-permissions/species-licensing/uk-protected-species-licensing/general-licences-for-birds-2021/?lang=en Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gameking Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 What a fantastic job WJ ( in partnership with NRW !!!) have done in the name of conservation 😒 Those song birds will be quaking in their soon to be dead boots , I bet they are looking forward to the breeding season this spring 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greylag Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 We in Wales lost Rooks and collared doves in 2019,after the first intervention by WJ. The 2021 licence have yet to be officially approved as once again the wonderful trio have caused a judicial review to be heard.Calling NRWs general licence was illegal.This was heard on the 23rd of Dec,and the outcome will be known in a week or so, or when the judge decides to let every.one know.The outcome could have ramifications for future licences for both England and Scotland. I do hope WJ lose their case and the judge awards costs against them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) So, the results of the above Judicial Review are in. Note the very smug comments towards the end. https://wildjustice.org.uk/general/further-success-on-general-licences-this-time-in-wales/ Obviously, I havent seen the actual judgement, and WJ have form on inflating the success of some of their actions. However, once our organisations and their counsel have had time to digest what has been passed down, it would be appreciated to know what their veiw on the ramifications of this will be. Edited January 18, 2021 by PeterHenry Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob85 Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 When they start talking about breeding pairs of carrion crows I really feel sad, it's like they are marking them out as endangered or something, and the talk of curlews, is he saying that they are the only animal they will predate on? Like every corvid species they are opportunists, no matter what time of the year it is. After the fiasco of the last assault on the general licences with farmers losing fields of crops you would think the rural community would stop these idiots putting pest species on a pedestal. I'm sure it won't be long before they come over to northern ireland to cause mayhem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remimax Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 BASC news tells a different story that they threw £140000 of the fighting fund at it and won with all 3 points by WJ being rejected and they are not going to appeal. so GL fit for purpose with no major changes in Wales as i read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 40 minutes ago, Rob85 said: When they start talking about breeding pairs of carrion crows I really feel sad, it's like they are marking them out as endangered or something, and the talk of curlews, is he saying that they are the only animal they will predate on? Like every corvid species they are opportunists, no matter what time of the year it is. After the fiasco of the last assault on the general licences with farmers losing fields of crops you would think the rural community would stop these idiots putting pest species on a pedestal. I'm sure it won't be long before they come over to northern ireland to cause mayhem 👍 1 minute ago, Remimax said: BASC news tells a different story that they threw £140000 of the fighting fund at it and won with all 3 points by WJ being rejected and they are not going to appeal. so GL fit for purpose with no major changes in Wales as i read it. Sounds promising. I think we will see who the ultimate winner is when costs are awarded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remimax Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, PeterHenry said: 👍 Sounds promising. I think we will see who the ultimate winner is when costs are awarded. fingers crossed its the last challenge on this matter from these clowns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, Remimax said: fingers crossed its the last challenge on this matter from these clowns. 🤞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted January 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 BASC hails High Court decision as a victory for the countryside BASC has welcomed the decision of the High Court to dismiss attempts by Wild Justice to limit pest control in Wales as a victory for the countryside. In a judgement released today following a protracted legal battle, Judge Jarman QC rejected all three of Wild Justice’s claims that the legal process of controlling pest birds, general licences, were not lawful. In his judgment he described the current approach as ‘rational’. BASC spent in excess of £140,000 from its newly-launched ‘Fighting Fund’ to give shooting a voice in the legal challenge and to help Natural Resources Wales defend the case. BASC fought to be recognised by the court as ‘interested parties’. BASC’s written submissions supported Natural Resources Wales argument for the continued use of general licences. More information:https://basc.org.uk/basc-hails-high-court-decision-as-a-victory-for-the-countryside/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 32 minutes ago, Remimax said: fingers crossed its the last challenge on this matter from these clowns. They just feel raising money and bringing more court claims. It's not about the legal claim, its a new method of harrassment. The Court's need to classify it as a vexacious litigation and tell them to cut it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: They just feel raising money and bringing more court claims. It's not about the legal claim, its a new method of harrassment. The Court's need to classify it as a vexacious litigation and tell them to cut it out. There is a safety measure with regards to judicial reveiws to that effect. Its a case of letting them make a rope for their own neck though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, PeterHenry said: There is a safety measure with regards to judicial reveiws to that effect. Its a case of letting them make a rope for their own neck though. Good to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 28 minutes ago, Conor O'Gorman said: BASC hails High Court decision as a victory for the countryside BASC has welcomed the decision of the High Court to dismiss attempts by Wild Justice to limit pest control in Wales as a victory for the countryside. In a judgement released today following a protracted legal battle, Judge Jarman QC rejected all three of Wild Justice’s claims that the legal process of controlling pest birds, general licences, were not lawful. In his judgment he described the current approach as ‘rational’. BASC spent in excess of £140,000 from its newly-launched ‘Fighting Fund’ to give shooting a voice in the legal challenge and to help Natural Resources Wales defend the case. BASC fought to be recognised by the court as ‘interested parties’. BASC’s written submissions supported Natural Resources Wales argument for the continued use of general licences. More information:https://basc.org.uk/basc-hails-high-court-decision-as-a-victory-for-the-countryside/ 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterHenry Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 41 minutes ago, Conor O'Gorman said: BASC hails High Court decision as a victory for the countryside BASC has welcomed the decision of the High Court to dismiss attempts by Wild Justice to limit pest control in Wales as a victory for the countryside. In a judgement released today following a protracted legal battle, Judge Jarman QC rejected all three of Wild Justice’s claims that the legal process of controlling pest birds, general licences, were not lawful. In his judgment he described the current approach as ‘rational’. BASC spent in excess of £140,000 from its newly-launched ‘Fighting Fund’ to give shooting a voice in the legal challenge and to help Natural Resources Wales defend the case. BASC fought to be recognised by the court as ‘interested parties’. BASC’s written submissions supported Natural Resources Wales argument for the continued use of general licences. More information:https://basc.org.uk/basc-hails-high-court-decision-as-a-victory-for-the-countryside/ One question actualy Conor - what is BASC's position on the point that WJ are claiming success over? Are there fears it will have ramifications further down the line, and in other parts of the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greylag Posted January 18, 2021 Report Share Posted January 18, 2021 Will NRW be claiming costs against WJ. I do hope they are ,as it's public money that's involved. I know BASC has thrown a huge amount at this case and must be applauded for doing so,for I fear if WJ had been successful it would have paved the way for other attacks on the Scottish and English licences. Well done BASC. and their legal team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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