Dave at kelton Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 As many of you know I tie quite a few flies. Unfortunately at this time of year roadkill is pretty common. So perhaps a stupid question but Is there anything in law that prevents me scavenging bits off otherwise protected creatures for use in tying? I am thinking badgers fur in particular? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 many badgers are moved from the road on to the verge after having a swab taken of the mouth if fresh enough after the kill. I can't imagine there is anything wrong with taking the bits you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 I believe that you aren't allowed to posses a badger ,or , part of a badger , unless certain criteria are filled ( just something I remember reading years ago ), but in reality , I don't expect that anyone would know , or care , if you cut a few hairs from a road kill badger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 Oh you can definitely get in to trouble with live badgers, but dead ones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjaferret Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 I'd be careful with that one, just takes a good doer anti.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartyboy Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Oh you can definitely get in to trouble with live badgers, but dead ones? Its an offence to be in possession of a dead badger unless certain conditions are met. One of our more obscure laws. Also illegal to be in possession of part of a dead one or anything derived from it 🤔 . Few defences to that but too long winded to go in to. Badger Protection Act 1992 i think? Edited April 12, 2021 by stuartyboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 Offences 1. Taking, injuring or killing badgers. 2. Cruelty. 3. Interfering with badger setts. 4. Selling and possession of live badgers. 5. Marking and ringing. Exceptions and licences 6. General exceptions. 7. Exceptions from s. 1. 8. Exceptions from s. 3. 9. Exceptions from s. 4. 10. Licences. 10A.Delegation of licence-granting power: Scotland Enforcement and penalties 11. Powers of constables. 11A.Attempts 12. Penalties and forfeiture. 12ZA.Time limit for bringing summary proceedings (England and Wales) 12A.Time limit for bringing summary proceedings 12B. Offences by bodies corporate etc. 13. Powers of court where dog used or present at commission of offence. 13A.Crown application: Scotland 14. Interpretation. 15. Short title, repeals, commencement and extent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Offences 1. Taking, injuring or killing badgers. 2. Cruelty. 3. Interfering with badger setts. 4. Selling and possession of live badgers. 5. Marking and ringing. Exceptions and licences 6. General exceptions. 7. Exceptions from s. 1. 8. Exceptions from s. 3. 9. Exceptions from s. 4. 10. Licences. 10A.Delegation of licence-granting power: Scotland Enforcement and penalties 11. Powers of constables. 11A.Attempts 12. Penalties and forfeiture. 12ZA.Time limit for bringing summary proceedings (England and Wales) 12A.Time limit for bringing summary proceedings 12B. Offences by bodies corporate etc. 13. Powers of court where dog used or present at commission of offence. 13A.Crown application: Scotland 14. Interpretation. 15. Short title, repeals, commencement and extent. Dig a little deeper dave . I'm still pretty sure that it's an offence to have a badger, or part of a badger , in your possession . I'd guess that it was introduced as a way of securing a prosecution, after a badger had been killed(and you tried to say that youd found it) , or , if the police found traces of blood or hair , in your car or on your premises , but had no body . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 Maybe, at work this evening, so have a bit of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartyboy Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 36 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Offences 1. Taking, injuring or killing badgers. 2. Cruelty. 3. Interfering with badger setts. 4. Selling and possession of live badgers. 5. Marking and ringing. Exceptions and licences 6. General exceptions. 7. Exceptions from s. 1. 8. Exceptions from s. 3. 9. Exceptions from s. 4. 10. Licences. 10A.Delegation of licence-granting power: Scotland Enforcement and penalties 11. Powers of constables. 11A.Attempts 12. Penalties and forfeiture. 12ZA.Time limit for bringing summary proceedings (England and Wales) 12A.Time limit for bringing summary proceedings 12B. Offences by bodies corporate etc. 13. Powers of court where dog used or present at commission of offence. 13A.Crown application: Scotland 14. Interpretation. 15. Short title, repeals, commencement and extent. Badger Protection Act 1992. Section 1, subsection 3. Offence to be in possession of dead badger, any part thereof or anything derived from badger without lawful reason or authority etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 Oh damn, that means the shaving brushes have to go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Oh damn, that means the shaving brushes have to go! And the. badger foot back scratcher not to mention ditchmans ceremonial sporran 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 (edited) Used to be able to buy badger hair for fly tying. I had some once, may still be some in all the stuff I have lying about. The law side of things then I would as said, assume that being in possesion is probably not a good idea. If it is for salmon flies, then there are alternatives which work just as well. I will see what I have lying about. Edited April 12, 2021 by Walker570 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 Don't mention Ditchmans ceremonial sporran! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Don't mention Ditchmans ceremonial sporran! I heard that he’s fettling the snarling teeth into a bottle opener Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartyboy Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 23 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Oh damn, that means the shaving brushes have to go! 😄😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 why do you want badger hair? there is 1,000,s of other hair, fur out there. I have tied flies for 50 years and have never used it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel b3 Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Old farrier said: And the. badger foot back scratcher not to mention ditchmans ceremonial sporran 😂 That wasn't a sporran, he was just trying to push the ginger all the way in with his ginger poker , as you walked into the room . Fair play to him I say . Not many would go to those lengths to revive a dead badger 😅. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fse10 Posted May 9, 2021 Report Share Posted May 9, 2021 Glad i didn't pick the albino one up that was next to the A12 then . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted May 9, 2021 Report Share Posted May 9, 2021 On 12/04/2021 at 21:46, billytheghillie said: why do you want badger hair? there is 1,000,s of other hair, fur out there. I have tied flies for 50 years and have never used it. It is used on one or two traditional salmon shrimp flies. I agree lots of other choices but have to admit that badger is still the best choice. Also been tying for may be a few years longer than yourself. Javelina hair is excellent to fit the same use and also nilgai as they ahve the same 'feeler' result in the tying and also come with the black white grey bars . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyboy1950 Posted May 9, 2021 Report Share Posted May 9, 2021 Lots of badger hair shaving brushes on the evil bay. FB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aberisle Posted May 12, 2021 Report Share Posted May 12, 2021 My local pub as a stuffed Badger on display near the bar, no one has ever said anything about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted May 12, 2021 Report Share Posted May 12, 2021 15 minutes ago, aberisle said: My local pub as a stuffed Badger on display near the bar, no one has ever said anything about it. my local pub has a few stuffed beaver......its all the rage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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