That was a great success then........

[Mungler]

4 hours ago, Mice! said:

I still don't buy the whole the young have lost their best years, it hasn't been a constant lockdown,  it's been on and off, and that's likely why its gone on so long.

You obviously don’t have children then. 

[Mice!]

10 minutes ago, Mungler said:

You obviously don’t have children then. 

You've obviously don't remember what people post, my two kids were isolating yet again just last week,  I think that was their third occasion. 

[Mungler]

3 hours ago, Mice! said:

You've obviously don't remember what people post, my two kids were isolating yet again just last week,  I think that was their third occasion. 

I’ve had 2 birthdays in lockdown 48 and 49, At my age, save for 50 perhaps, birthdays roll one into another.

In lockdown with 3 teenage boys we’ve missed 16, 17, 18 and are heading for a 21 missed.

I can still remember my 18th birthday party.

Then there’s the schooling, they are so far behind now I don’t know where to start to explain - I would say they have averaged 1 week in school in every 4. Do they hop off the educational conveyor belt and retake whole years?

The middle one was an A student - not any more.

Then there’s the missed school trips - the best example is the annual school ski trip. My parents weren’t into skiing and I never got the opportunity, so with the school laying on a trip it’s ideal for the kids. The older 2 each (when it was their school years time) got to go on the school ski trip - the best experience and holiday of their lives they still declare. That set in stone annual trip cancelled for the youngest, an opportunity missed and never to be repeated and that door closed for him.

Don’t forget leavers, prom, boyfriend girlfriend stuff, sports, seeing your mates and just going out which is of particular importance to the young. 

Then there’s been lack of family interaction across grandparents and cousins. We’ve just ‘done less’ and made far less of our lives across the board. Oh and no family holiday for two years on the spin - when you’re 15 that’s a big percentage of your life (and IMHO best years) just wasted and lost. And don’t forget the pervading fear of total doom - that will take a toll in the years to come.

I remember me at 15, 16, 17 and 18 and I was out down the pub, chasing girls and driving cars like they were stolen. I never appreciated how lucky I was, because none of that is happening now.

Edit

Gavin Williamson just confirmed that 1/3 of schooling time / syllabus lost.

I reckoned 1 in 4 weeks lost, and he’s plumbed for 1 in 3.

 

Edited July 7, 2021 by Mungler

[Newbie to this]

11 hours ago, Mungler said:

I reckoned 1 in 4 weeks lost, and he’s plumbed for 1 in 3.

 

11 hours ago, Mungler said:

I would say they have averaged 1 week in school in every 4.

I make that 3 weeks in 4 lost by the above.

[Mungler]

1 hour ago, Newbie to this said:

 

I make that 3 weeks in 4 lost by the above.

 
Thanks for getting involved 😆

 

[Newbie to this]

30 minutes ago, Mungler said:

 
Thanks for getting involved 😆

 

You're welcome

[clangerman]

don’t know about fans or the kids but do know for a fact this morning bristol city council have at least one member of staff positive at work and management has concealed it how many will they infect now 

[Scully]

2 hours ago, clangerman said:

don’t know about fans or the kids but do know for a fact this morning bristol city council have at least one member of staff positive at work and management has concealed it how many will they infect now 

They didn’t conceal it too well then did they! 🤔
It doesn’t matter how many they infect because most will have had the jab, and those who haven’t will be of an age where they hardly notice it. 
I really don’t know how many more more times this has to be said, nor how much simpler I can make this…..the vaccine is NOT designed to stop us being infected, it is designed to prevent us being hospitalised to the extent we overwhelm the NHS! 
Stop testing, stop self isolating, and get on with our lives, that’s what we need to do, and how the future will look. 

[Mungler]

50 minutes ago, Scully said:

They didn’t conceal it too well then did they! 🤔
It doesn’t matter how many they infect because most will have had the jab, and those who haven’t will be of an age where they hardly notice it. 
I really don’t know how many more more times this has to be said, nor how much simpler I can make this…..the vaccine is NOT designed to stop us being infected, it is designed to prevent us being hospitalised to the extent we overwhelm the NHS! 
Stop testing, stop self isolating, and get on with our lives, that’s what we need to do, and how the future will look. 

Couldn’t agree more.

I have noticed the fear still literally dripping off people - well done the BBC with your ‘bodies piled in the street’ reporting.

[discobob]

On 07/07/2021 at 06:13, Mungler said:

The middle one was an A student - not any more.

My eldest is retaking his last year of 6th form - didn't do well with lockdown remote learning - also 18th birthday passed by while in it

On 07/07/2021 at 06:13, Mungler said:

Don’t forget leavers, prom

Youngest was so excited for his leavers prom - bought a suit that was absolutely crazy - like him really - to then be told the other week that it was cancelled as the venue was in England (Chester). He is highly disappointed by it and he is off to college in September so no 6th form there 

College will kill him - nearly a mile walk and a 30 minute bus ride - now he could jump out of a window to land in his school grounds!!!

[39TDS]

14 minutes ago, discobob said:

Youngest was so excited for his leavers prom - bought a suit that was absolutely crazy - like him really - to then be told the other week that it was cancelled

One of the sadder consequences of covid, the amount of unworn prom dresses on facebook marketplace. (not sadder than granny being dead but you know what I mean)

Local FB was saying how sad it was that they could hear primary school sports day yesterday and none of the parents could attend. I think that's just stupid not sad. They could easy have held it in a fortnight and in any case all the kids mix and go back home with whatever disease they picked up in the day (as has always been the case) so what difference would it have made anyway to be standing outside and probably wearing a mask too. This is where the fear mongering has now got us.

[Scully]

11 minutes ago, 39TDS said:

One of the sadder consequences of covid, the amount of unworn prom dresses on facebook marketplace. (not sadder than granny being dead but you know what I mean)

Local FB was saying how sad it was that they could hear primary school sports day yesterday and none of the parents could attend. I think that's just stupid not sad. They could easy have held it in a fortnight and in any case all the kids mix and go back home with whatever disease they picked up in the day (as has always been the case) so what difference would it have made anyway to be standing outside and probably wearing a mask too. This is where the fear mongering has now got us.

Isn’t that pathetic! The G7 or 8 or whatever it was has a jolly while all the staff stand around socially distanced with masks on, the Euros have a free pass, as does Wimbledon, yet parents are forbidden to attend a school sports day or a wedding! 
My youngest didn’t have his 21st and it would seem most have paid for what amounts to an online course rather than lectures. To say I’m slightly miffed doesn’t cover it really. 

[Scully]

2 hours ago, Mungler said:

Couldn’t agree more.

I have noticed the fear still literally dripping off people - well done the BBC with your ‘bodies piled in the street’ reporting.

Indeed. I’ll never forget the Clive Mirey (?) reports from a morgue, filming attendees trollying corpses into the morgue fridges, and interviewing one of the staff until she grew tearful, and continuing filming her. Absolute gutter press reporting of which we should all be up in arms about. 

[henry d]

Just to add to this, my daughter's friend has just tested positive and is quite ill and he is fit, active, no underlying conditions and not thirty yet, hopefully he will get better soon and not be affected by long Covid.

[Mungler]

28 minutes ago, henry d said:

Just to add to this, my daughter's friend has just tested positive and is quite ill and he is fit, active, no underlying conditions and not thirty yet, hopefully he will get better soon and not be affected by long Covid.

Has he been hospitalised Henry?

[henry d]

3 hours ago, Mungler said:

Has he been hospitalised Henry?

Not at the moment, isolating but not well at all, hopefully he is just getting a mild dose but figures in Tyneside are not good following an outbreak of the delta variant in a Tynemouth restaurant. 

[Mungler]

9 hours ago, henry d said:

Not at the moment, isolating but not well at all, hopefully he is just getting a mild dose but figures in Tyneside are not good following an outbreak of the delta variant in a Tynemouth restaurant. 

So he’s got something which is like the flu?

Has he had the vaccine? I assume not.

See where I’m going with this?

[Scully]

We have to come to terms with the fact that most of us ( especially this coming winter ) are going to get infected at some point along the way. Hopefully most of us will be able to carry on and treat this as any other Covid infection. 

[Vince Green]

Yes but people are still not getting the message, close family friends this week, Husband is positive with symptoms, daughter is positive with symptoms. Wife is supposed to be self isolating. So she went shopping to the local supermarket, she has absolutely no concept of what is meant by self isolating, not a clue.

(well, you've got to eat, even if you're self isolating havent you?) 

The source of their particular infection is believed to be the daughter's boyfriend hosting a Euros football party for some of his mates in his home. Again not a clue.

Even when you explain it to them they dont really get it. They say they do but they are not close to getting it.

Infections are rising again, thats not just happening for no reason  Its being caused

If everybody complied with a few simple rules for a comparatively short period of time the chain of infection would have been broken. And we would so much better off, As it is, the whole thing is dragging on and on

[Mungler]

18 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

Yes but people are still not getting the message, close family friends this week, Husband is positive with symptoms, daughter is positive with symptoms. Wife is supposed to be self isolating. So she went shopping to the local supermarket, she has absolutely no concept of what is meant by self isolating, not a clue.

(well, you've got to eat, even if you're self isolating havent you?) 

The source of their particular infection is believed to be the daughter's boyfriend hosting a Euros football party for some of his mates in his home. Again not a clue.

Even when you explain it to them they dont really get it. They say they do but they are not close to getting it.

Infections are rising again, thats not just happening for no reason  Its being caused

If everybody complied with a few simple rules for a comparatively short period of time the chain of infection would have been broken. And we would so much better off, As it is, the whole thing is dragging on and on

But if the majority can’t / won’t go along with restrictions then that’s the end of lockdown no matter what the government says or does (unless your government is China and willing to shoot lockdown transgressors).

Covid has been around long enough now that the majority of people have worked out it’s not going to be a problem for them. Try telling anyone under 30 years of age that they need to put their lives and freedoms on hold beyond this point having given the thick end of 2 years of their youth to lockdown.

Bottom line, the unvaccinated, the old and the sick should shield indefinitely, everyone else back to normal. Indeed, if we don’t release now then we’re screwed for another year and the economic impact of another year of lockdown will make Covid look like a bump in the road.

[Rewulf]

51 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

If everybody complied with a few simple rules for a comparatively short period of time the chain of infection would have been broken. And we would so much better off, As it is, the whole thing is dragging on and on

Did we not do that last March ? Did infections almost disappear in the summer ?

Then guess what ? They came back, and then they will continue to keep coming back, year after year.
When are people going to get this through their head, we cannot defeat it, the cat is truly out of the lab, and the mutations /variants are a constant Pandoras box of surprises, whether they are naturally occurring or artificial...

Getting people to 'obey the rules' isnt going to work in the long term, in any way shape or form.
What will work is herd immunity , either through jabs or infections , and this is borne out by the massive infection rate now, with few deaths or hospitalisations.

You cannot break the chain of infection, any more than we can break the chain of infection for flu or the common cold.
Time to live with covid, and stop hiding from it.

Edited July 16, 2021 by Rewulf

[udderlyoffroad]

4 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

When are people going to get this through their head, we cannot defeat it, the cat is truly out of the lab,

I actually laughed out loud at that, well said.

It's an airborne virus.  This is not somehow disputed in the scientific community.

[Scully]

2 hours ago, Vince Green said:

Yes but people are still not getting the message, close family friends this week, Husband is positive with symptoms, daughter is positive with symptoms. Wife is supposed to be self isolating. So she went shopping to the local supermarket, she has absolutely no concept of what is meant by self isolating, not a clue.

(well, you've got to eat, even if you're self isolating havent you?) 

The source of their particular infection is believed to be the daughter's boyfriend hosting a Euros football party for some of his mates in his home. Again not a clue.

Even when you explain it to them they dont really get it. They say they do but they are not close to getting it.

Infections are rising again, thats not just happening for no reason  Its being caused

If everybody complied with a few simple rules for a comparatively short period of time the chain of infection would have been broken. And we would so much better off, As it is, the whole thing is dragging on and on

Eh? Aren’t you the one who stated his son had gone to watch the Euros, but had previously criticised others for doing the same? 
My son was pinged last Monday after watching the game in the pub with his mates. He doesn’t have Covid but has to isolate for 10 days, in a house from which his Mother and sister go to and return from, work on a daily basis. 🤷‍♂️He has now deleted the app. 
A GP on the news last night stated they may have to close their surgery due to staff shortages caused by staff having to self isolate despite being double jabbed. She described the situation as ‘daft’. 
My OH has the app, but is deleting it after this weekends shift as she doesn’t want to get pinged and have to cancel our trip to Edinburgh. Both of us are double jabbed. 

[Rewulf]

22 minutes ago, Scully said:

A GP on the news last night stated they may have to close their surgery due to staff shortages caused by staff having to self isolate despite being double jabbed. She described the situation as ‘daft’. 

Its absolutely bonkers !

One of the most expensive, ill thought out ideas a government has ever done.
If every person had the app, and more importantly adhered to it , I doubt a days work would get done by anyone , anywhere in the country !

I told our club treasurer last night, Id never had the app , and if requested to 'sign in' I just pretended with a basis QR scan app. the look of horror on his face ....
Hes retired, and doesnt see how this could destroy a self employed persons business (me).

This conversation started from a discussion about whether to continue wearing masks in the clubhouse from Monday, where various weak willed members stated they didnt mind either way, so the motion was carried to keep them on !
I asked WHEN we were going to take the masks off ? Seeing as covid isnt exactly going to be going anywhere.

I dont know, was the reply.

[LeedsZeppelin]

I wish I was as confident as you lot.

There is currently a staggering increase in hospitalisation, with many new wards having to be opened up for COVID patients. Some are now axing operations again. Many of these patients in hospital are young and/or vaccinated and have no underlying health problems.

It is worth remembering that the lockdowns and restrictions are to help reduce hospital care and overwhelming the NHS, thus leaving staff and resources to concentrate on other patients and treatments. 

I appreciate that people are losing livelihoods and missing out on important life experiences, but the NHS simply cannot cope with life as normal. It's no secret that the NHS was under-funded and under-staffed before COVID hit, it is now far worse.

If anyone was told they had to sacrifice their business or lose their wife to cancer, almost all would choose to lose their business. This is what could be on the cards if we don't find a way to stop people being hospitalised by COVID and having to push back other vital treatments.

I'd love to have life back to normal, and I'd love to be able to stop hemorrhaging money and custom because of this damn virus. But we are stuck between a rock and a hard place until we find a way of controlling it. And vaccines don't seem to be the savour we were promised.