Bigteddy1954 Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 Hi folks the booster jab starts today .Can anyone tell me what the difference is between the second jab and the booster are they different mixtures or are they the same ,cheers teddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 I can’t see why it would be any different. It’s a booster, not a different vaccine. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 As your Doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 The booster will NOT be using Astra-Zeneca vacine. Which prompts the question why? I think there are "issues" with A-Z that the Government knows about but won't fully disclose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, enfieldspares said: The booster will NOT be using Astra-Zeneca vacine. Which prompts the question why? I think there are "issues" with A-Z that the Government knows about but won't fully disclose. The Astra Zeneca vaccine has been linked to blood clots, albeit very little compared to the amount given out. My wife's first vaccine was an AZ one and she was rushed into hospital with a suspected blood clot. But, she had the same vaccine the second time and had no side effect at all, apart from soreness around the injection area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgsontour Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 13 minutes ago, enfieldspares said: The booster will NOT be using Astra-Zeneca vacine. Which prompts the question why? I think there are "issues" with A-Z that the Government knows about but won't fully disclose. Probably back handers at play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted September 16, 2021 Report Share Posted September 16, 2021 54 minutes ago, enfieldspares said: The booster will NOT be using Astra-Zeneca vacine. Which prompts the question why? I think there are "issues" with A-Z that the Government knows about but won't fully disclose. 40 minutes ago, mgsontour said: Probably back handers at play Well I never, conspiracy theories straight away. Here's a link back to the spring and the why A month later and results are coming in... Peer reviewed by a major university... ... and here we are, better response by using a different vaccine, after testing. No conspiracy no backhander! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saltings Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 if offered a booster ill have it known family and friends anti vaxers now dead its a no brainer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 10 hours ago, steve_b_wales said: The Astra Zeneca vaccine has been linked to blood clots, albeit very little compared to the amount given out. My wife's first vaccine was an AZ one and she was rushed into hospital with a suspected blood clot. But, she had the same vaccine the second time and had no side effect at all, apart from soreness around the injection area. Gosh! I am sorry for that. How awful. Yes I had a not to good a time with my first A-Z and was told by my GP to call 999 and get an ambulance to take me to the local coronary dependency unit as he suspected from my reaction to it that I was having early signs of an imminent stroke. Three days night sweats, irregular heartbeat, heart palpitations, redness in both arms. I'd had the actual coronavirus some three months before and that was a day of 'flu like symptoms and then nine days of boredom whilst "isolating". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 39 minutes ago, enfieldspares said: Gosh! I am sorry for that. How awful. Yes I had a not to good a time with my first A-Z and was told by my GP to call 999 and get an ambulance to take me to the local coronary dependency unit as he suspected from my reaction to it that I was having early signs of an imminent stroke. Three days night sweats, irregular heartbeat, heart palpitations, redness in both arms. I'd had the actual coronavirus some three months before and that was a day of 'flu like symptoms and then nine days of boredom whilst "isolating". We both had the virus back last December. I went into hospital on Boxing day as my oxygen levels were low, and my wife, even now, cannot taste or smell food etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agriv8 Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 I believe it’s nothing more than reminding your immune system what to look for ! Every year nhs struggles with flu add to that the backlog 4m and corona virus the system must be under immense pressure. we do not bat an eyelid about yearly flu top ups ( my teenage son school are offering to all kids ) . I know there can be side affects to the vaccines if you are concerned talk to your doctor! ! To assist in decision making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve s×s Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 12 hours ago, mgsontour said: Probably back handers at play There is no probably its a deffo and I think you have to be simple minded not to realise where there is £££££ there will be back handers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 8 hours ago, steve s×s said: There is no probably its a deffo and I think you have to be simple minded not to realise where there is £££££ there will be back handers Back handers to who for what ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 22 hours ago, Scully said: I can’t see why it would be any different. It’s a booster, not a different vaccine. The government has announced that the autumn booster will be the mRNA type Pfizer jab, most in the UK have had the AZ vector type vaccine. Beside the fact that the Pfizer jab costs over 3 x as much , many countries still refuse the AZ jab for the blood clot issue, but thats a whole new area. 14 minutes ago, ordnance said: Back handers to who for what ? Are you seriously saying that those, either in government , or in NHS/government advisory roles or procurement, do not have favourable vendors, for which there may be an element of 'appreciation' ? Perhaps you also believe that government contracts are not awarded similarly to favoured vendors ? Are you really saying there is NO corruption at government level for procurement , and beyond ? Is so , I have some magic beans for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Rewulf said: The government has announced that the autumn booster will be the mRNA type Pfizer jab, most in the UK have had the AZ vector type vaccine. Beside the fact that the Pfizer jab costs over 3 x as much , many countries still refuse the AZ jab for the blood clot issue, but thats a whole new area. Are you seriously saying that those, either in government , or in NHS/government advisory roles or procurement, do not have favourable vendors, for which there may be an element of 'appreciation' ? Perhaps you also believe that government contracts are not awarded similarly to favoured vendors ? Are you really saying there is NO corruption at government level for procurement , and beyond ? Is so , I have some magic beans for you. I am talking about the Covid vaccine, again back handers to who for what ? some evidence would be helpful ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 hour ago, ordnance said: I am talking about the Covid vaccine, again back handers to who for what ? some evidence would be helpful ? Self explanatory from my last post . 1 hour ago, Rewulf said: Beside the fact that the Pfizer jab costs over 3 x as much So what's wrong with the far cheaper AZ jab all of a sudden? Hundreds of millions of doses handed out , why swap now ? Evidence ? Really ? You don't think any guilty party makes up a wiki entry admitting it do you ? Please don't tell you're one of these people who thinks if it's not Google able that it's true , it's obviously not ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 36 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Self explanatory from my last post . So what's wrong with the far cheaper AZ jab all of a sudden? Hundreds of millions of doses handed out , why swap now ? Evidence ? Really ? You don't think any guilty party makes up a wiki entry admitting it do you ? Please don't tell you're one of these people who thinks if it's not Google able that it's true , it's obviously not ? Maybe the JCVI are in on it, getting back handers that is I am one of these people that don't think everything is a conspiracy, and their could be scientific not financial reasons for vaccine recommendations. PS I have no doubt some on here would have more expertise on vaccines than the people on the JCVI Quote The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) recommended a “mix and match” approach to the booster rollout, with both the Pfizer and Moderna jabs to be given to all those eligible regardless of whether they received other vaccines including the AstraZeneca jab as one of their previous doses. Professor Wei Shen Lim, chair of Covid-19 Immunisation for the JCVI, said the committee selected the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines because they use mRNA technologies, which he claimed provided “a very good immune boost” in studies. There is understood to be more available scientific evidence about the long-term efficacy of mRNA jabs over other vaccines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 3 hours ago, Rewulf said: The government has announced that the autumn booster will be the mRNA type Pfizer jab, most in the UK have had the AZ vector type vaccine. Does that make it a different vaccine, rather than the same product but by a different manufacturer? I genuinely don’t know, nor care if I’m honest. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 13 hours ago, ordnance said: The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) recommended a “mix and match” approach to the booster rollout, with both the Pfizer and Moderna jabs to be given to all those eligible regardless of whether they received other vaccines including the AstraZeneca jab as one of their previous doses By that logic, the people who got Pfizer first time around will get the AZ jab this time then? No, didn't think so 😏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve s×s Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 16 hours ago, Rewulf said: The government has announced that the autumn booster will be the mRNA type Pfizer jab, most in the UK have had the AZ vector type vaccine. Beside the fact that the Pfizer jab costs over 3 x as much , many countries still refuse the AZ jab for the blood clot issue, but thats a whole new area. Are you seriously saying that those, either in government , or in NHS/government advisory roles or procurement, do not have favourable vendors, for which there may be an element of 'appreciation' ? Perhaps you also believe that government contracts are not awarded similarly to favoured vendors ? Are you really saying there is NO corruption at government level for procurement , and beyond ? Is so , I have some magic beans for you. Magic beans hoo yes please, ha wait a minute I seem to recall something very nasty happened with the last lot, nope I think I'll keep the cow 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigteddy1954 Posted September 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 Hi again folks thought you couldn't mix and match vaccines still looking into it .cheers teddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Rewulf said: By that logic, the people who got Pfizer first time around will get the AZ jab this time then? No, didn't think so 😏 As i said, we have experts on the forum that know better than the JCVI. Professor Wei Shen Lim, chair of Covid-19 Immunisation for the JCVI, said the committee selected the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines because they use mRNA technologies, provided “a very good immune boost” in studies. Edited September 18, 2021 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 1 hour ago, ordnance said: Professor Wei Shen Lim, chair of Covid-19 Immunisation for the JCVI, said the committee selected the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines because they use mRNA technologies, provided “a very good immune boost” in studies. Ah studies.... https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/17/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/572793-fda-panel-votes-against-covid-19-booster-recommendation https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9986743/FDA-senior-officials-say-NO-evidence-fully-vaccinated-Americans-need-booster-shots.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Ah studies.... https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/17/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/572793-fda-panel-votes-against-covid-19-booster-recommendation https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9986743/FDA-senior-officials-say-NO-evidence-fully-vaccinated-Americans-need-booster-shots.html Different countries have different policies, what's that got to do with back handers ? Quote In late July, Israel began offering everyone over the age of 60 a third vaccine dose, a move that has been rapidly expanded. Throughout August, the booster program has gradually been rolled out to more of the population, and third shots have been available to everyone over the age of 30 since Tuesday. Edited September 18, 2021 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted September 18, 2021 Report Share Posted September 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, ordnance said: Different countries have different policies, what's that got to do with back handers ? Maybe different countries have different levels of corruption ? Ill ask you again , do you think there is no corruption within procurement in the UK ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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