TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 Austria has a rise in the Coronavirus cases and is locking down again. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59283128 Will we be doing the same by Christmas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 Only the unvaccinated being locked down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, WalkedUp said: Only the unvaccinated being locked down? Yes, might get some of the 35% to reconsider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robden Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 How will they know if you've been jabbed or not? Carry a covid passport? So what do the police say to you? Hold out their hand and say "Papers!" Now where have we heard that before??????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 I am (comparatively for PW) young and also double vaccinated. I am against the wild conspiracy theories (I have had compulsory vaccinations to travel to certain countries previously) but even I think a two-tier system is insane. The best if they want to penalise would be prevent unvaccinated from large gatherings such as football matches, places of employment etc. Personally I would not bother, the more you force people the more they repel. If we must do anything lets follow DFS’s model not Austria. “Free Covid Vaccine to end 1st Jan 2022”. Set the cost of the raise £4.95 each and you will see hundreds of thousands rushing to get a good deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: Yes, might get some of the 35% to reconsider. Hello, that's around 3 million not vaccinated , won't help the forth coming Skiing holiday season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, that's around 3 million not vaccinated , won't help the forth coming Skiing holiday season I can’t imagine there is much of an overlap between the unvaccinated and the ski set in all honesty. Not that I belong to either group. Edited November 15, 2021 by WalkedUp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 11 hours ago, Robden said: How will they know if you've been jabbed or not? Carry a covid passport? So what do the police say to you? Hold out their hand and say "Papers!" Now where have we heard that before??????? Exactly what happens. Also, you win the Godwin prize. But with some justification. 11 hours ago, WalkedUp said: can’t imagine there is much of an overlap between the unvaccinated and the ski set in all honesty. The chattering middle classes who can afford the Austrian/Bulgarian resorts, or the super rich who hang around in the more up-market Swiss and French establishments? Because, in case of the former no, the latter do absolutely as they bloomin well like and certainly aren't vaccinated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkedUp Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said: he super rich who hang around in the more up-market Swiss and French establishments? My circle of friends does not include any of these, and I like to base my sweeping generalisations purely upon the people I know 😊 Mine was a glib statement, without evidence. Each to do as their own conscience leads them 👍 Edited November 15, 2021 by WalkedUp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 10 hours ago, WalkedUp said: My circle of friends does not include any of these The super rich? No, mine neither. But I do have family which work within those circles, rather than move within them. Anyone who seriously believes they have been jabbed is deluding themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigroomboy Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 5 hours ago, udderlyoffroad said: The super rich? No, mine neither. But I do have family which work within those circles, rather than move within them. Anyone who seriously believes they have been jabbed is deluding themselves. Well that's good news then! Can put some of that money back into the system then when the estate needs to be settled! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 Full lockdown and compulsory vaccinations from February. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59343650 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 On 16/11/2021 at 17:47, bigroomboy said: Well that's good news then! Can put some of that money back into the system then when the estate needs to be settled! You mean when they eventually die of old age, having had the best healthcare money can buy? Don't know if you've noticed, a lot of these people aren't exactly the beached whales they're portrayed as in popular culture. They invest considerably in their own personal health, because health is wealth. 6 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: Full lockdown and compulsory vaccinations from February. That's it, let rip the full-on National Socialism analogies. Richly deserved too, in my opinion. Forcing people to have a vaccine that doesn't stop the spread of a virus is nonsensical, discriminatory and goes against ECHR, not to mention basic civil liberties. Mass civil unrest is imminent, unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 (edited) On 15/11/2021 at 06:36, Robden said: How will they know if you've been jabbed or not? Carry a covid passport? So what do the police say to you? Hold out their hand and say "Papers!" Now where have we heard that before??????? Starting comparing things with the Nazis has me rolling my eyes, can the police in most countries not ask for ID does that make them Nazis Quote Forcing people to have a vaccine that doesn't stop the spread of a virus is nonsensical, discriminatory and goes against ECHR, not to mention basic civil liberties. Mass civil unrest is imminent, unfortunately. Just a coincidence then that Austria has one of the lowest vaccine rates in Europe, and the highest number of infections. Quote He was responding to record case numbers and one of the lowest vaccination levels in Western Europe . Edited November 21, 2021 by ordnance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 On 15/11/2021 at 06:36, Robden said: How will they know if you've been jabbed or not? Carry a covid passport? So what do the police say to you? Hold out their hand and say "Papers!" Now where have we heard that before??????? The "boss" plus some of the worst Nazis were Austrian. Hitler, Kaltenbrunner and Etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 it won’t make a difference last years most popular gift for grannie was covid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 Quote The "boss" plus some of the worst Nazis were Austrian. Hitler, Kaltenbrunner and Etc. And ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted November 22, 2021 Report Share Posted November 22, 2021 17 hours ago, ordnance said: can the police in most countries not ask for ID does that make them Nazis Police demanding that you produce papers declaring your medical history and thus suitability to be a citizen entitled to normal rights, or some kind of second class citizen? Yes, that is straight out of the Third Reich's standard operating procedures. Why are you conflating identification and vax passports? 17 hours ago, ordnance said: Just a coincidence then that Austria has one of the lowest vaccine rates in Europe, and the highest number of infections. Correlation is not causation. Number of infections and number of test administered (even per capita) also has a correlation.... Whilst this is happening, I will never set foot in Austria for pleasure, and will do my level best to avoid it for work, though my principles and my desire to pay the mortgage have to be reconciled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted November 22, 2021 Report Share Posted November 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said: though my principles and my desire to pay the mortgage have to be reconciled. Perhaps you should think of a career in politics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted November 22, 2021 Report Share Posted November 22, 2021 24 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: Perhaps you should think of a career in politics? Along with your current one 😉 On 15/11/2021 at 06:55, WalkedUp said: I am (comparatively for PW) young and also double vaccinated. I am against the wild conspiracy theories (I have had compulsory vaccinations to travel to certain countries previously) but even I think a two-tier system is insane. The best if they want to penalise would be prevent unvaccinated from large gatherings such as football matches, places of employment etc. Personally I would not bother, the more you force people the more they repel. If we must do anything lets follow DFS’s model not Austria. “Free Covid Vaccine to end 1st Jan 2022”. Set the cost of the raise £4.95 each and you will see hundreds of thousands rushing to get a good deal. This ^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 22, 2021 Report Share Posted November 22, 2021 Quote Police demanding that you produce papers declaring your medical history and thus suitability to be a citizen entitled to normal rights, or some kind of second class citizen? Yes, that is straight out of the Third Reich's standard operating procedures. Why are you conflating identification and vax passports? They would not be asking for your medical history, they would be asking if you had the vaccine, follow your logic and a any business asking for vaccine proof are Nazis. Quote dine indoors in pubs and restaurants in the Republic if they have proof they have been fully vaccinated or have recovered from Covid-19. Quote Whilst this is happening, I will never set foot in Austria for pleasure, and will do my level best to avoid it for work Maybe they will reconsider knowing that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted November 23, 2021 Report Share Posted November 23, 2021 20 hours ago, ordnance said: They would not be asking for your medical history Ok, I’ll try one final time. Asking for *any* medical details before you’re allowed your normal rights is abhorrent. Being a second class citizen because of your medical history is simply not what a civilised country does. Austria is now not just dividing its citizens into two classes, it has declared its intention to force you to undergo medical procedures. I wonder what infringement of civil liberties it would take for you to finally say enough is enough? Holding down people and forcefully injecting them not enough for you?* *Yes I know, that hasn't been implemented. Yet. But how else do you enforce mandatory vaccines? 20 hours ago, ordnance said: Maybe they will reconsider knowing that A rather large part of Austria’s economy is based on tourism, so if enough people do that, then yes. Granted, as a lot of the tourism revolves around winter sports, and per the discussion above, the venn diagram overlap of the vaccinated ski-ists and people likely to visit Austria is rather large. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 23, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, udderlyoffroad said: But how else do you enforce mandatory vaccines? You remove their freedom until they comply! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted November 23, 2021 Report Share Posted November 23, 2021 Quote Asking for *any* medical details before you’re allowed your normal rights is abhorrent. What like getting a job, or a firearms certificate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 23, 2021 Report Share Posted November 23, 2021 1 hour ago, ordnance said: What like getting a job, or a firearms certificate. I could understand the vaccine being compulsory for getting a job if it prevented transmission, but it doesn’t, and people being forced out of work because they won’t comply is, I believe, a massive massive infringement of their rights, and I genuinely hope some civil liberties lawyer takes up the challenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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