Dazv Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 Hi guys hope your all well, I question for you guys I have a freind that is planning on catching pheasants with the old poaching trick with a sticky paper cone that gets caught in its head. He has permission to take pheasants on the land and I told him I’m sure that method must be illegal. Can anyone shed any light on this and even better if it turns out to be illegal any links to proof would be really helpful. Thanks for your time much appreciated darren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) If it is in season and it is not deemed as "cruelty" that per se it is lawful as long as the person who gives him that permission has the authority to offer the right to kill game. If that person who gives that permission doesn't then it is illegal. Remember occupancy of land (even ownership) does not always have with it the sporting rights. As to the use of "sticky paper" that IMHO would be deemed as cruel. Finally an over zealous rural crime officer may start looking up the law on bird liming. So I'd say your friend is possibly putting himself in a sticky situation even if he does has lawful permission to take game on the land. Edited November 24, 2021 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
39TDS Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 Why would he even want to? They are not exactly difficult to trap in plenty of more sensible ways than sticking a paper cone on their head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 Your ‘friend’ sounds like a… 🤦♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazv Posted November 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 I know I completely agree with you guys which is why I wanted to hit him with the law but doesn’t seem as black and white as that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 I'm fascinated, if you can stick a cone over its head why not just grab it and bash it on the head? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: I'm fascinated, if you can stick a cone over its head why not just grab it and bash it on the head? Just like you could when you got close enough to pour Cerebos salt on its tail! Edited November 24, 2021 by enfieldspares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 I’m intrigued sounds like a lot of fun 🤭 anyone know what culor cones and what size you need to make them 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 An old boy I know used squirrel live capture traps to catch pheasants on his rounds as a red squirrel ranger. He would then take the birds and release them on his own land. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billytheghillie Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 48 minutes ago, Old farrier said: I’m intrigued sounds like a lot of fun 🤭 anyone know what culor cones and what size you need to make them 🤔 just the normal colour of cones, kind of light biscuit brown. P.S. take the flake out first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver fox 1 Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Old farrier said: I’m intrigued sounds like a lot of fun 🤭 anyone know what culor cones and what size you need to make them 🤔 Red ones 🤫🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted November 24, 2021 Report Share Posted November 24, 2021 Pretty certain it would be illegal. You are causing the bird to basically be wandering around blind, unable to defend itself or escape from any predators. Such a course of action is, by default, 'animal cruelty' and thus a criminal offence. I'm sure there is no specified criminal offence of maiming a wild creature by ripping a leg off it, but it would obviously be a blatant an act of cruelty, and thus covered by the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazv Posted November 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2021 Thanks guys, I was able to convince him that It wasn’t fair, Humane and possibly illegal. Thanks for the advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Neal Posted November 25, 2021 Report Share Posted November 25, 2021 The mind boggles. Just out of curiosity, what do you does your mate want to catch them for? You could be getting a very mixed bag of less productive, older birds and a mixture of strains, which isn't ideal for breeding. For eating, it kind of makes sense. I've got a very successful catcher made from several Heras panels, top-netted, with one of these one-way fox grids built in to the bottom of a panel: It's baited outside by spreading straw with wheat scattered in to it, and inside it has a poultry feeder full of wheat and a drinker. It's absolutely necessary to provide water inside the catcher, and a very good idea to provide food too. If you're using a big enough arrangement like Heras panels you can leave some in there and they'll attract more. I have a little pile of branches in mine too so they can hop up on something to roost. Don't do anything that knackers up shooting for the rest of us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehb102 Posted November 26, 2021 Report Share Posted November 26, 2021 Has this bloke been reading Danny The Champion Of The World? I was very sad to find out that the poaching tricks in there were made up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatureBoy Posted November 28, 2021 Report Share Posted November 28, 2021 Cone trick works. Simple and easy an very effective once mastered. We used to make them and do it a lot as kids, and catch up some folks escaped birds. Got really good at it. Practiced on chickens and no more stressful than the wild birds i see retraped week after week in mist nets on some sites in the name of science. Some of them rare birds during migration breeding season and hard times to. That's ok though ain't it? If done right, in right place, approached and picked up right birds will sit and stay nice and calm as will most critters when there eyes are covered. Last time i did it was to move some problem peacocks. Little more tricky but job done over two days. No cage, no nets, no chasing, no fuss. Just little bit of fieldcraft and common sense. NB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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