Walker570 Posted June 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 51 minutes ago, Gas seal said: Hi Ultrastu yes there is more involved modifying an air gun. I think the cost would be in the paperwork and if needed the cost of the carrier . I use a mmc bsa ultra 177 a couple of years ago l fitted a regulator to it . I found no difference to the gun but it was a good experience fitting it. I have never used a higher power air gun l will use different 22 rim fire rounds. I shoot around dairy farm and shooting at concrete isn’t good. Most of the birds will perch on the fence posts next to the farm buildings before flying in to the sheds. I will wait until a number of birds are around before I shoot one of the post. It’s the thud when the bird is hit that frightens them more than the report of the gun.I find it’s the the best way to keep them away for a few days . They have the uncanny ability to know how to perch directly infront of a cow. The 17hmr will do the job no problem but an air rifle is somewhat cheaper and totally silent other than the thwock as the pellet arrives. I plan to have the Boxer converted as soon as Leics F/A Dept approave my application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas seal Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 Yes air guns are cheaper. Six weeks ago I bought a gamo gx 177 it’s a good gun. It cost £310 new. I’ve been shooting pigeons over wheat this week and I took it with me and used some bsa tin pellets . I shot pigeons from a willow tree. The pellets hit hard all past through the pigeons. For crow l use CCI quite segmented about 700 feet per second the gun is quite and they hit with thud. Shooting a few will move crows from the yard and keep them away for a while. It’s the sight and sound of a bird hit that move them better than bangers or gas guns. Good luck with your air gun let us know how you get on with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted June 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 They normally do not like to see their mates lying inert on the ground. I have a jackdaw lay in my yard and it's presence has kept the yard clear for weeks. I'm up the yard again in the morning but with the 17hmr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jall25 Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Walker570 said: They normally do not like to see their mates lying inert on the ground. I have a jackdaw lay in my yard and it's presence has kept the yard clear for weeks. I'm up the yard again in the morning but with the 17hmr. I have never noticed this to be honest and use dead ones as decoys which they come to especially if used on the spinner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted June 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 16 hours ago, jall25 said: I have never noticed this to be honest and use dead ones as decoys which they come to especially if used on the spinner Yes, set up on cradles and also on a floater or spinner it seems to work but lay one out flat or hung by one wing and they will avoid. I shot a magpie on the maize silage last week and could not get at it to remove it. Watching the carrions and magpies swerve away was frustrating. There again I shot three young magpies once with the 17hmr the first fell on the dead rabbit, the second fell on top of that one and the thrid about a foot way but they where all fledglings, dumbVery. Very high wind this morning so packed in after an hour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas seal Posted June 26, 2022 Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 Dead birds can attract or distract other birds. A good deterrent is to shoot a few when a lot of birds are about and then leave the dead ones on the sheds or clamps. Jackdaws are more of a flock or family group of birds. If jackdaws see a crow or rook shot they fly away in a flock. If they see a jackdaw shot they will fly around and sometimes come back to the shot bird. Shot birds at useful one way or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted June 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 Well, back to the drawing board. I called in at Solware this morning and they rang around including Rat Works and the outcome was that , yes, possible on the Boxer but not practical, cost too much and the barrel is too short. So as said back to the drawing board. In the next few weeks the length of shots will reduce as the maize silage is used and targets move closer, so pleanty of time in the next few months to decide if I need a new FAC air rifle or not. The HMR is going to have to do in the short term. Many thanks for all your comments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, Walker570 said: Well, back to the drawing board. I called in at Solware this morning and they rang around including Rat Works and the outcome was that , yes, possible on the Boxer but not practical, cost too much and the barrel is too short. So as said back to the drawing board. In the next few weeks the length of shots will reduce as the maize silage is used and targets move closer, so pleanty of time in the next few months to decide if I need a new FAC air rifle or not. The HMR is going to have to do in the short term. Many thanks for all your comments Seems a bit odd that, especially when you look at @Ultrastu using a BSA ultra in fac. I realise there would be complications being fac, but could you borrow a fac airgun off someone? Probably be nice to be able to try one out to see if it's suitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 How long is the barrel on your boxer (24 inches ? ) My scorp is 15.5 inch and may mate ran a 12 inch ultra barrel on his for many years power around 16 fpe . Again my scorp uses 110 cc of air for 30 shots at 18 fpe and 35 - 40 around 16 fpe Your boxer probably has around 250 cc of air . I feel someone Is fobbing you off . I cant imagine that the basic valving in your boxer is much different to a bsa se series gun .since they come from the same factory . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 12 minutes ago, Ultrastu said: feel someone Is fobbing you off . My thoughts exactly, someone will be saying the usual, no resale value, poor shot count, but it would do the job needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 I was just trying to look up the specs . And it's not easy .some say it's a 15 .5 inch barrel others an 18.2 inch Either way more than capable of fac speeds . I've had 1000 fps + with 8.4s And 1075 with falcons . Shot count was poor obviously and 21 + fpe with bismags again poor shot count. A nice 16 fpe is plenty and works much better anyways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted June 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 No, I do trust these guys at Solware. No fob off. That is what the result of two calls was and they personally had nothing to lose. They could easily have said yes, leav it with us and we can get it up graded but they didn't and I would never have been any wiser. I do appreciate your input Ultrastu as I know you have put a lot of experience in this sort of thing. Sit back , take a deep breath and think about it seems the order of the day. No panic as the 17 hmr will do the job but with a bit more noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) When I went FAC air years ago the feeling was .177 used a lot more air and .22 or .25 was the way to go for FAC - but your low range requirements are different to mine for bunnies. Edited June 28, 2022 by Dave-G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrastu Posted June 28, 2022 Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Walker570 said: No, I do trust these guys at Solware. No fob off. That is what the result of two calls was and they personally had nothing to lose. They could easily have said yes, leav it with us and we can get it up graded but they didn't and I would never have been any wiser. I do appreciate your input Ultrastu as I know you have put a lot of experience in this sort of thing. Sit back , take a deep breath and think about it seems the order of the day. No panic as the 17 hmr will do the job but with a bit more noise. No worries .I dont know the internals of the boxer .it may not be suitable .without a lot of remachining of parts . The bsa doesn't need any of this as they are made "capable " for the American Market. And the internals are designed to handle the forces . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted June 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 Yes, that was the main comment that it would need quite a bit of work. No problems , as said back to the drawing board. It is a cracking little rifle and so handy in the truck or in a hide. I will not be getting rid thats for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 On 18/06/2022 at 10:21, telf said: I tried some cb longs in my LR , shooting at 30ft lb , accurate out to 50/60yds ( didnt try them any further ) and quiet as a mouses **** I tried some cb longs and found that they are useless from an accuracy point of view in all of my .22lrs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisheruk Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 13 hours ago, Walker570 said: No, I do trust these guys at Solware. No fob off. Yes, I have found can trust the guys at Solware, very knowledgeable. No bull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted July 12, 2022 Report Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 16/06/2022 at 22:11, Walker570 said: All the FAC air rifles I read about seem to be 25 cal. What's wrong with a 177? Is going FAC worth while when you have a 22rf and a 17hmr in the cabinets? Nuff questions, ideas ?????????????/ Only you can decide if you need a FAC Air Rifle. Everyones circumstances and requirements are different, I run FAC Air as well as a lot of other tools, I keep it because I have occasional uses for it, but overall it is my least used gun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted July 12, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2022 Still looking and considering. I have the use for one , no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted July 12, 2022 Report Share Posted July 12, 2022 Shame mines a .22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno22rf Posted July 12, 2022 Report Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 23/06/2022 at 18:23, Ultrastu said: There is a lot more involved in upping a sub 12 to 16 + fpe than just a screw turn . In my experience . And not to be taken so lightly either . Most likely not allowed to identify the gun but I know of one that can be pushed way over 12ftlb using nothing but a penny piece to turn a srew that's right in front of your face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted July 12, 2022 Report Share Posted July 12, 2022 If you already have the ticket and the space then there's lots of choice for not an awful lot of money and you can keep the sub 12 for those days it's the right tool. I'm toying with the idea for bunnies on a neighbours paddock, I know I can get one but I'm not sure if I really really need one if you know what I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hull wolf Posted July 23, 2022 Report Share Posted July 23, 2022 On 24/06/2022 at 13:51, Dave-G said: And your . is? Mine are .177 and .22 NOT 177 and 22 and yes it does make a difference try putting a 177 pellet in a .177 gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted July 23, 2022 Report Share Posted July 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Hull wolf said: Mine are .177 and .22 NOT 177 and 22 and yes it does make a difference try putting a 177 pellet in a .177 gun Good job we have some absolutely perfect people on here. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landowner Posted July 24, 2022 Report Share Posted July 24, 2022 Definitely 177 has a place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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