Mice! Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, oowee said: I think your missing my point. Whatever the party in power we are not making progress as a country. Everything is failing around us. We might not see it on a day to day basis, and some of us are happy as larry but whatever metric you look at we have no solution. Unfinished brexit, and uncooked mini budgets just hasten that demise. Even for covid we had trials (2016) to look at how to manage a pandemic and then never implemented the results. I can see what you mean with that, Boris should have been able to do as he pleased, spend money on projects and show some love in the Labour areas that voted for him, but Covid stopped that. Which ever party is in control its all about scoring points, it probably doesn't help that the media have there own agenda's and scrutinies every little detail of some while giving others a free pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mice! said: I can see what you mean with that, Boris should have been able to do as he pleased, spend money on projects and show some love in the Labour areas that voted for him, but Covid stopped that. Which ever party is in control its all about scoring points, it probably doesn't help that the media have there own agenda's and scrutinies every little detail of some while giving others a free pass. Exactly this. The fault is with our political process that encourages point scoring short term goals. We want the media to scrutinise as they do more to hold the power to account than the opposition. The opposition are unable to do it because they are also part of the short termism. The media can have a field day because the majority of policy is fundamentally a stream of carp. Even if its backed by sound reasoning the delivery isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 49 minutes ago, oowee said: I think your missing my point. Whatever the party in power we are not making progress as a country. Everything is failing around us. We might not see it on a day to day basis, and some of us are happy as larry but whatever metric you look at we have no solution. Unfinished brexit, and uncooked mini budgets just hasten that demise. Even for covid we had trials (2016) to look at how to manage a pandemic and then never implemented the results. My partners uncle was heavily involved in the assessment and advise of what to do if a major pandemic hit. They advised stock piles and facilities ready to go. It was deemed too expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 30 minutes ago, oowee said: The media can have a field day because the majority of policy is fundamentally a stream of carp. Even if its backed by sound reasoning the delivery isn't. But the media often have there own agenda for point scoring, going after individuals rather than policy. Look at Boris and Starmer with the Covid parties, look at the antisemitism around the Labour Party. The opposition parties job is keep the other Party in check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 11 hours ago, Stonepark said: The Conservatives are not going to call an election until the last minute of their term as they know calling it now will be electoral suicide. The only way I could see it sooner would be a separate act of parliament but the opposition doesn't have a majority to push it through without a conservative back bench rebellion. totally understand what you say..........but "things" have gone too far now......when it gets to the stage we are at the moment (like a feeding frenzy of sharks)..........due procedure goes out of the window...........i believe we are looking at the last few short days of truss...and the following mess......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanMc Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Newbie to this said: And not one party capable of doing the job. We are going to be in for a rough ride for a very long time. I see you are still only blaming Brexit, that just simply isn't the case. The main problem is the ruinous lockdowns and money printing (all for a slightly worse flu virus), throw in a energy crisis caused by a war, and here we are. Oh and let's not forget the artificially low interest rates we've been enduring, since the crash in 2008, one we never really recovered from. These have led people to get comfortable and borrow way beyond their means, yet another cause of where we are. When you add them all up......... That's not to say that Brexit hasn't played it's part, it has, but Brexit was always going to be long term, not short term. Middle paragraph hits the nail on the head IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, ditchman said: totally understand what you say..........but "things" have gone too far now......when it gets to the stage we are at the moment (like a feeding frenzy of sharks)..........due procedure goes out of the window...........i believe we are looking at the last few short days of truss...and the following mess......... The phrase “a week is a long time in politics” is attributed to British Prime Minister Harold Wilson in 1964. The Torys have two years, a few good slogans and things on the up, people have short memoires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, old'un said: The phrase “a week is a long time in politics” is attributed to British Prime Minister Harold Wilson in 1964. The Torys have two years, a few good slogans and things on the up, people have short memoires. and if the govt' was staffed by "normal" people ...yes .....but we are talking about ....now.....just look at them eh !!...they are self serving muppets the lot of them...they are not worried about our country...they are worried about loosing their job.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 39 minutes ago, ditchman said: muppets the lot of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Newbie to this said: BLOODY SUPERB...🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, old'un said: The phrase “a week is a long time in politics” is attributed to British Prime Minister Harold Wilson in 1964. The Torys have two years, a few good slogans and things on the up, people have short memoires. I know several people who are what I would call hardcore Tory supporters who’ve vocally and religiously supported them all their lives. People in good careers, doctors, solicitors, etc. Pretty much all of them are appalled at the current state of the Government and have openly said they will be voting Labour on the basic that anything is better than the current situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: I know several people who are what I would call hardcore Tory supporters who’ve vocally and religiously supported them all their lives. People in good careers, doctors, solicitors, etc. Pretty much all of them are appalled at the current state of the Government and have openly said they will be voting Labour on the basic that anything is better than the current situation. While i agree on the state of the current tory government i don't see labour as a viable option either, and there in lies the problem. British politics has become sound bite politics, there is no long term planning for the good of the country anymore, just responses to the polls and twitter. While the tories have run out of ideas, labour under starmer is not the answer to the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 12 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: I know several people who are what I would call hardcore Tory supporters who’ve vocally and religiously supported them all their lives. People in good careers, doctors, solicitors, etc. Pretty much all of them are appalled at the current state of the Government and have openly said they will be voting Labour on the basic that anything is better than the current situation. really that sums it up all in one go...............it is so damning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 21 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: I know several people who are what I would call hardcore Tory supporters who’ve vocally and religiously supported them all their lives. People in good careers, doctors, solicitors, etc. Pretty much all of them are appalled at the current state of the Government and have openly said they will be voting Labour on the basic that anything is better than the current situation. like I said, 2 years is a long time in politics, people have short memoires, but we will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, welsh1 said: While i agree on the state of the current tory government i don't see labour as a viable option either, and there in lies the problem. British politics has become sound bite politics, there is no long term planning for the good of the country anymore, just responses to the polls and twitter. While the tories have run out of ideas, labour under starmer is not the answer to the problem. People have to face reality, and it’s well known the reality is either Labour or the Conservatives. You can do a protest vote or spoil your ballot, but the end result is either Labour or the Cons. If your fed up of one of those two, and you want a change, your only option is the alternative party. The extreme of one or the other probably keeps people voting for the other smaller parties because they know their vote would be wasted, but it’s the reality of the situation. If we’ve gotten to the point that hardcore party supporters will not only consider voting for someone else, but will outright vote for the blatant opposition from their original party, it really shows what a mess the whole situation is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 31 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: People in good careers, doctors, solicitors, etc They won't really be hurt by Labour's policies though, it always seems to be the ordinary working folk who get stuffed by them, which is something I've never understood. While those on benefits will all be able to relax 😡😡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Mice! said: They won't really be hurt by Labour's policies though, it always seems to be the ordinary working folk who get stuffed by them, which is something I've never understood. While those on benefits will all be able to relax 😡😡 'cause Labour ain't about labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 Labour now is a reaction to the Tories now. We need labour shift to the middle ground to counter the Tories shift to the right. When labour get in we then need the Tories to shift to the middle ground so that they can get back in when labour shift to the left. This is why we need to get rid of this waste and move to some sort of PR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, oowee said: Labour now is a reaction to the Tories now. We need labour shift to the middle ground to counter the Tories shift to the right. When labour get in we then need the Tories to shift to the middle ground so that they can get back in when labour shift to the left. This is why we need to get rid of this waste and move to some sort of PR. what would be the result if PR was to be introduced............serious question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, ditchman said: what would be the result if PR was to be introduced............serious question In a word moderation. There has to be consensus and trade off. It would allow the country to have long terms plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratlegs Posted October 18, 2022 Report Share Posted October 18, 2022 19 hours ago, old'un said: like I said, 2 years is a long time in politics, people have short memoires, but we will see. If I remember correctly Hunt was replaced for wrecking the health service now can try wrecking the country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 On 14/10/2022 at 19:06, Scully said: As much as it pains me to say it, I think the Tories are now unelectable. They just seem to be ricocheting from one cock up to another. Surely Kwartengs policies were aired before being made public? The Tories only saving Grace is that the opposition has even less to offer. 🤷♂️ There was a reason to create this, a few in the know cleaned up big time, the public petrified and driven back down. The NHS is constantly being eroded and faces a winter from Hades. The worst is sadly yet to come? On 17/10/2022 at 12:32, Mice! said: They won't really be hurt by Labour's policies though, it always seems to be the ordinary working folk who get stuffed by them, which is something I've never understood. While those on benefits will all be able to relax 😡😡 That's the real crux, the inability to define the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 (edited) suella Braverman ...sacked out....gone............what the **** .....!!!!!!! hunt seeing 1922comittee later.......Jeeesus chrust grant bloodyshapps now home sec......bloody lying little toerag.....he thinks people have forgotton about his goings on....well i bloody aint... Edited October 19, 2022 by ditchman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellow Bear Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 16 minutes ago, ditchman said: suella Braverman ...sacked out....gone............what the **** .....!!!!!!! Resigned - if you read the letter she made a mistake and sent a document in error so did what they all should do and resigned. I also suspect some snitty left wing civil servant who shouldn't have, got hold of the document and was going leak it to cause trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Yellow Bear said: Resigned - if you read the letter she made a mistake and sent a document in error so did what they all should do and resigned. I also suspect some snitty left wing civil servant who shouldn't have, got hold of the document and was going leak it to cause trouble. she has been set up.....the EU wernt happy dealing with her and wouldnt budge on present issues...so in order to proceed the impass had to be got rid of..... once again it looks like britain has rolled over and taken it from behind again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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