Walker570 Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 hour ago, clangerman said: this is full square fault of the police and cps if scumbags are injured committing crime justice has already been served there is no public interest prosecuting who caused them Bear in mind when you vote that Starmer used to be in charge of the CPS and got Knighted for it and don't wind me up about the actions or inactions of todays police....I refuse to use the term Force or Service it doesn't apply today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveboy Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 21 minutes ago, Gordon R said: If his insurance cough up, I will plait sawdust. Why would they pay up? They are suing his car insurance.... have you even watched the program? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 46 minutes ago, Gordon R said: The homeowner went outside the law and has ruined his life. Would he do the same thing again? I think not. Was this in reply to me? If it was I think you've misunderstood my post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 42 minutes ago, old'un said: I thought the same but I guess the CPS decided to make an example of him for taking the law into his own hands, my feeling were, he should have got off or at worst the sentence should have been a suspended one. Or given a medal 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 23 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: Or given a medal 😂 Yep, although the jury found him guilty I think the judge should have given a stern warning with a suspended sentence, obviously we dont know the full details of the case but from what I seen in the program I think I would have found him innocent just to send a message to the lowlife that if they step over the mark they deserve what they get. Tin hat on henry d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 Quote They are suing his car insurance.... have you even watched the program? I haven't watched the program. Why would I need to watch it? I believe that they would need to sue him and hope his car insurance would cover him - which it won't. Quote Was this in reply to me? If it was I think you've misunderstood my post No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 31 minutes ago, old'un said: Yep, although the jury found him guilty I think the judge should have given a stern warning with a suspended sentence, obviously we dont know the full details of the case but from what I seen in the program I think I would have found him innocent just to send a message to the lowlife that if they step over the mark they deserve what they get. Tin hat on henry d. Absolutely agree with you. Its very sad to see, this country is going to the dogs. To be fair to him, I think Henry has finally given up on trying to "educate" me 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garygreengrass Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, daveboy said: I can't understand how the Jury found him guilty.... no matter what the Judge said it would have been a no from me. Totally agree with with you, Should never have been done for it. Edited November 29, 2022 by garygreengrass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 hour ago, old'un said: Yep, although the jury found him guilty I think the judge should have given a stern warning with a suspended sentence, obviously we dont know the full details of the case but from what I seen in the program I think I would have found him innocent just to send a message to the lowlife that if they step over the mark they deserve what they get. Tin hat on henry d. Where do we stop? Lynch mobs? 51 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: Absolutely agree with you. Its very sad to see, this country is going to the dogs. To be fair to him, I think Henry has finally given up on trying to "educate" me 😁 Happy to see our country upholding the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Walker570 said: Bear in mind when you vote that Starmer used to be in charge of the CPS and got Knighted for it and don't wind me up about the actions or inactions of todays police....I refuse to use the term Force or Service it doesn't apply today. Very sadly true on both counts Sir! How can it have all gone so wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 3 hours ago, Rem260 said: Do not feed the TROLL!! I'm a troll for asking for clarification? If you go outside of the law then you throw the dice and accept how they fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discobob Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 17 minutes ago, oowee said: Where do we stop? Lynch mobs? The trouble is with the repeated failures in this country it may end up at Lynch Mobs, maybe worse. I know that you will blame the Conservatives/Brexit/There is a letter Y in the name of the day - but all governments/parties are responsible for the state that we are in - along with the Whitehall Mandarins who are the power behind the thrones (Civil Servants) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 2 hours ago, daveboy said: They are suing his car insurance.... have you even watched the program? Sue who they like the insurance company will not pay out for deliberately breaking the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickeydredd Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 3 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: . The police are virtually powerless, reduced to a laughing stock and that's why I believe were going to see more vigilante action we won't though, that is why the Courts generally impose a custodial sentence for any perceived vigilante action - they use it as a deterrent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem260 Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) 38 minutes ago, henry d said: I'm a troll for asking for clarification? If you go outside of the law then you throw the dice and accept how they fall. Sorry I do apologise. It's I just can't believe anyone in real life is as sanctimonious as you portray yourself to be. Edited November 29, 2022 by Rem260 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob85 Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 3 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: What about the innocent victim who gets run over by the thieves on their next criminal venture, I believe less than 5% of burglaries are solved. What about an innocent bystander who gets run over and killed by someone pursuing the scumbags. That would see the burglary victim facing somewhere in the region of 14 years inside for causing death by dangerous driving. Cases like this are very seldom straight forward. Quite often police will break off a chase because there's more risk to the public by continuing a pursuit. Also bear in mind that not all police officers that drive cars are pursuit trained. Crimes remain unsolved because there isn't enough evidence to bring it to a trial. Plenty of murders have went unsolved even though people know who done it. Bringng the required weight of evidence into a courtroom that proves to a jury who done it is another matter, alleged rapes and sexual assaults being the big one. Don't get me wrong I am all for protecting your property and if you catch someone in the act I believe you should be able to detain them, but that doesn't mean you should be allowed to involve yourself in a chase and ram them off the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 hour ago, oowee said: Where do we stop? Lynch mobs? Happy to see our country upholding the law. Well lets put it like this, I don't think that having a chat with them about their behaviour would do a lot of good but before I get the rope I would like to hear your solution to these scumbags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 10 minutes ago, old'un said: Well lets put it like this, I don't think that having a chat with them about their behaviour would do a lot of good but before I get the rope I would like to hear your solution to these scumbags. Defend your property by all means. Revenge attacks and killings belong in the jungle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 Decent prison sentences would be a start. Don't tell me prisons aren't big enough. Build more. We put up illegals in decent hotels and find room for them in prisons when they break the law - sadly disproportionately more than those born in the UK. Adopt the American three strikes system. More visible Police - out on the street rather than spending an undue amount of time in McDonalds. Seventeen at one time in our local branch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, oowee said: Defend your property by all means. Revenge attacks and killings belong in the jungle. At what point would you go from defence to attack in defending family and proprty? Talking about a jungle, think some victims of crime might think the streets are already a bit of a jungle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem260 Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 minute ago, old'un said: At what point would you go from defence to attack in defending family and proprty? Talking about a jungle, think some victims of crime might think the streets are already a bit of a jungle. This. You beat me too it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 9 minutes ago, old'un said: At what point would you go from defence to attack in defending family and proprty? Talking about a jungle, think some victims of crime might think the streets are already a bit of a jungle. So why do you suggest law abiding folk make matters worse? Would you be happy for your kids to go out tooled up? Why not get a pit bull a razor collar and a slip lead? Lets all take a shank to the pub! Not for me, I favour a civilised society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, oowee said: So why do you suggest law abiding folk make matters worse? Would you be happy for your kids to go out tooled up? Why not get a pit bull a razor collar and a slip lead? Lets all take a shank to the pub! Not for me, I favour a civilised society. and me. now you are talking vigilante, never suggested that, I am talking about the good guys defending their family and property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem260 Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 7 minutes ago, oowee said: So why do you suggest law abiding folk make matters worse? Would you be happy for your kids to go out tooled up? Why not get a pit bull a razor collar and a slip lead? Lets all take a shank to the pub! Not for me, I favour a civilised society. Funnily had Ukraine got tooled up. It would have been prevented the criminal attack on its sovereignty. It shouldn't of then fought back and just let the worlds police (UN) sort it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted November 29, 2022 Report Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) You are defending your property whilst you remain on your property. Once you leave that, you are potentially going from defending to attacking. This is why the lad ended up inside. Whilst I have a lot of sympathy with the lad who was burgled, once you set off chasing them and ramming their bike, you have gone way outside of your rights. Quote Funnily had Ukraine got tooled up. It would have been prevented the criminal attack on its sovereignty. It shouldn't of then fought back and just let the worlds police (UN) sort it out. Bizarre. Just what has that got to do with anything? Edited November 29, 2022 by Gordon R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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