wisdom Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 Years ago when the wetland lead ban first came in I bought some bismuth cartridges then the syndicate folded and never shot a duck since.Looking through some of my kit I came across these which I think may be the bismuth ones.But there's nothing on them to say so.a Google search shows them but with foreign descriptions so I am none the wiser. Please could anyone advise me from the pictures.And could they be fired through a lightly choked gun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enfieldspares Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 The test may be to open one cartridge and place on a steel surface then hit two or three shot with a hammer. Lead will crush, steel will do nothing and bismuth will go to powder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisdom Posted December 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 1 minute ago, enfieldspares said: The test may be to open one cartridge and place on a steel surface then hit two or three shot with a hammer. Lead will crush, steel will do nothing and bismuth will go to powder. Thanks couple more pics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8 shot Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 99% sure they're lead had some in 12 and 20, bloody good cartridges all the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen-H Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 Lead shot I believe rc's are brillant cartridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stimo22 Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 I have some of those they are lead shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 (edited) . Edited December 23, 2022 by old'un Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docleo Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 I used them when I was in Italy, and I'm pretty sure they're lead but if you found the description in Italian and want to send the link I'll happily have a look and let you know 😉. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisdom Posted December 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 17 minutes ago, Docleo said: I used them when I was in Italy, and I'm pretty sure they're lead but if you found the description in Italian and want to send the link I'll happily have a look and let you know 😉. Will see if I can find it again thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisdom Posted December 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 So onto the next question.I have been gifted some steel cartridges a few years ago.I have been shooting for around 45 yrs but have never used anything but lead. None of my guns are steel shot proofed.I have possibly the chance next year of having a couple of days mixed shooting with the chance of a duck or two.I know the debate around steel shot and guns will rumble on.I also know my Beretta 302 should handle anything through a skeet choke. However I cannot use it on the shoot so would I be able to use the cartridges below through my Winchester 101 with 1/4 chokes in it I am not really clued up on steel cartridges at all.Just looking for advice in reality I know it's at my own risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bornfree Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 They will be the best steel cartridges you ever shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted December 23, 2022 Report Share Posted December 23, 2022 3 hours ago, wisdom said: So onto the next question.I have been gifted some steel cartridges a few years ago.I have been shooting for around 45 yrs but have never used anything but lead. None of my guns are steel shot proofed.I have possibly the chance next year of having a couple of days mixed shooting with the chance of a duck or two.I know the debate around steel shot and guns will rumble on.I also know my Beretta 302 should handle anything through a skeet choke. However I cannot use it on the shoot so would I be able to use the cartridges below through my Winchester 101 with 1/4 chokes in it I am not really clued up on steel cartridges at all.Just looking for advice in reality I know it's at my own risk. They’ll be absolutely fine through your 101. I’ve used quite a lot of steel through my old 101’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo yorks Posted December 24, 2022 Report Share Posted December 24, 2022 Yes, They are standard steel so fine in any nitro proofed gun. Best factory steel I've used, not a scratch on my homeloads still buy certainly up their in my estimation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted December 24, 2022 Report Share Posted December 24, 2022 28 minutes ago, Jimbo yorks said: Yes, They are standard steel so fine in any nitro proofed gun It actually says HIGH PERFORMANCE on the box in the photo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo yorks Posted December 24, 2022 Report Share Posted December 24, 2022 It may say that on the box but that's just marketing. Any cartridges you buy these days seem to have "high performance" writte on them even if they are infact not high performance. Infact I've got a box of the exact cartridges updstairs and just taken a look to make sure and nowhere does it say on the box "must be shot in a gun rated to 1250 bar or bear the fleurs des leis stamp" like HP steel is legally required to have written on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted December 24, 2022 Report Share Posted December 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Jimbo yorks said: It may say that on the box but that's just marketing. Any cartridges you buy these days seem to have "high performance" writte on them even if they are infact not high performance. Infact I've got a box of the exact cartridges updstairs and just taken a look to make sure and nowhere does it say on the box "must be shot in a gun rated to 1250 bar or bear the fleurs des leis stamp" like HP steel is legally required to have written on it. Fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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