marsh man Posted February 8, 2023 Report Share Posted February 8, 2023 Just watched the sickening footage of some members of a hunt who were edging the dogs on with a freshly dug out live fox , and then Mr Packham came on voicing his disgust and wanting the offenders brought to justice , and quite rightly so , this have done field sports no good whatsoever . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted February 8, 2023 Report Share Posted February 8, 2023 Seeing things like this i see why the anti's have such a huge following, said it all along they done do anything to help themselves. The deserve what they get and more. I remember the double page spread in the Mirror decades ago with a picture of a hunt throwing a dead fox over a hedge knowing that the spot light was well and truly on them ALL. We used to follow the hunt years ago and my mum used to ride with them for years, but now i have nothing good to say about these idiots. I know i'm going to get some stick for this off some but a tiny bit of me actually sides with Cwis Pacum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
222mark Posted February 8, 2023 Report Share Posted February 8, 2023 The biggest anti hunting people our way are the shooting folk. Game covers run through, blatantley hunting on land without permission. No respect for anything or anybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted February 8, 2023 Report Share Posted February 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, 222mark said: The biggest anti hunting people our way are the shooting folk. Game covers run through, blatantley hunting on land without permission. No respect for anything or anybody. 1 perm i had asked the hunt to go steady over a field, yes brill !!! turned the filed over ruined for crops had to be sorted, a fence and that got bodged by the fencer, no longer allowed over the farm. The olld fencing chap from the Meynell was brill only ever received thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 8, 2023 Report Share Posted February 8, 2023 I can only agree with what's already been said, the hunts have bought the ban on their own head and are actively damaging shooters and other country sports with their selfish, illegal and reckless behaviour. I believe we should join the we should join the public and call them out, if shooters behaved like many of the hunts, our sport would also have been banned long ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Shot Posted February 8, 2023 Report Share Posted February 8, 2023 Shocking behaviour and I'm sure that prison sentences will be handed out to those filmed. The only real benefit is that the hunts are a great sponge for the attention of the antis. When the hunts fall then shooting will be fully in the spotlight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted February 8, 2023 Report Share Posted February 8, 2023 No crime, not illegal to break up a dead fox with hounds. And they did not know the second one was there, so no intent, no offence. 2 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: I can only agree with what's already been said, the hunts have bought the ban on their own head and are actively damaging shooters and other country sports with their selfish, illegal and reckless behaviour. I believe we should join the we should join the public and call them out, if shooters behaved like many of the hunts, our sport would also have been banned long ago. Call who out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 10 hours ago, scolopax said: No crime, not illegal to break up a dead fox with hounds. And they did not know the second one was there, so no intent, no offence. Call who out? The public aren't as stupid as you think. It's blatantly obvious many (not all) hunts are regularly flouting the law and continuing to fox hunt. Hunts are now so toxic due to the sports own stupidity there's no way back for them. Shooters on the other hand are generally some of the most law abiding people in the country and I have no desire to watch shooting going down the plug hole with the hunts supporting them due to their reckless and illegal behaviour. Shooting should distance itself as far as is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: The public aren't as stupid as you think. It's blatantly obvious many (not all) hunts are regularly flouting the law and continuing to fox hunt. Hunts are now so toxic due to the sports own stupidity there's no way back for them. Shooters on the other hand are generally some of the most law abiding people in the country and I have no desire to watch shooting going down the plug hole with the hunts supporting them due to their reckless and illegal behaviour. Shooting should distance itself as far as is possible. What were the 350+ hunts supposed to do at the time of the ban? Like shooting is for some hunting is a way of life for many, often going back many generations, some packs have continuous histories of 200+ years with the same bloodlines. Hunting was not just a job or a pastime, it was their life. What were they supposed to do when the ban was imposed on them by a left wing totally urban centric Labour Party? Just meekly say, yeah alright then? ******** to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 19 minutes ago, scolopax said: What were the 350+ hunts supposed to do at the time of the ban? Like shooting is for some hunting is a way of life for many, often going back many generations, some packs have continuous histories of 200+ years with the same bloodlines. Hunting was not just a job or a pastime, it was their life. What were they supposed to do when the ban was imposed on them by a left wing totally urban centric Labour Party? Just meekly say, yeah alright then? ******** to that. And there's the difference! I'm sure everyone owning handguns at the time of the ban felt just as strongly about there sport. But when it was banned, despite disagreeing strongly, me included, shooters continued to act lawfully, the hunts have not. The Hunts have lost the respect of the public, not just the left and I believe they've bought that on their own heads, there's no way I'm going to support the hunts, they've done nothing but try to look after themselves, unfairly damaging shootings reputation in the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said: And there's the difference! I'm sure everyone owning handguns at the time of the ban felt just as strongly about there sport. But when it was banned, despite disagreeing strongly, me included, shooters continued to act lawfully, the hunts have not. The Hunts have lost the respect of the public, not just the left and I believe they've bought that on their own heads, there's no way I'm going to support the hunts, they've done nothing but try to look after themselves, unfairly damaging shootings reputation in the process. Tweeks to the firearms laws still allow you to go shooting live quarry. The ban on handguns, well you could still own many other types of guns and go shooting. the equivalence to shooters of the hunting act was us being allowed to keep our guns but no shooting of any live quarry bar rats and rabbits. That’s what happened to the hunts. Edited February 9, 2023 by scolopax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 21 minutes ago, scolopax said: Tweeks to the firearms laws still allow you to go shooting live quarry. The ban on handguns, well you could still own many other types of guns and go shooting. the equivalence to shooters of the hunting act was us being allowed to keep our guns but no shooting of any live quarry bar rats and rabbits. That’s what happened to the hunts. Like I said, my comparison was how shooters are law abiding, where as many of the hunts are not. It was reglaur in the past with several hunts I know of that would trespass and damage farmers land and fences before the ban. The hunts (again I know not all but in general) have bought this on themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 11 hours ago, scolopax said: No crime, not illegal to break up a dead fox with hounds. And they did not know the second one was there, so no intent, no offence. Call who out? Did you watch the video , there was 3 foxes in total , and where does it say the fox/ foxes where dead . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 19 minutes ago, johnphilip said: Did you watch the video , there was 3 foxes in total , and where does it say the fox/ foxes where dead . I think there were only two foxes, the first one pulled out was a terrier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 12 minutes ago, old'un said: I think there were only two foxes, the first one pulled out was a terrier. Can't realy tell with the rubbish video . So the terrier was used to kill the fox perhaps , why the need for hounds . They seemed to have gone to a lot of trouble digging All them holes . Why the need for the hounds to rip up the fox . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
222mark Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 Shooting and hunting don't mix. I know lads who been stopped night shooting foxes on land after complaints from the hunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old'un Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 14 minutes ago, johnphilip said: Can't realy tell with the rubbish video . So the terrier was used to kill the fox perhaps , why the need for hounds . They seemed to have gone to a lot of trouble digging All them holes . Why the need for the hounds to rip up the fox . Yep, the terrier man pulls the terrier out then the huntsman pulls a live fox out and one bolts, thing is was it intensional by the huntsman to let the hounds kill it? If not he was a bit stupid pulling it out with the hounds all around the dig. 13 minutes ago, 222mark said: Shooting and hunting don't mix. I know lads who been stopped night shooting foxes on land after complaints from the hunt. Yep, I know a lady who owns a farm but does not farm it her self, she is a big follower of the hunt and will not allow anyone to shoot the foxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 The hunt will probably be calling it all "photo shopped" 19 minutes ago, 222mark said: Shooting and hunting don't mix. I know lads who been stopped night shooting foxes on land after complaints from the hunt. I was told to stop shooting the Foxes because the hunt went on the estate. So I shot them anyway. Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
222mark Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, Dougy said: The hunt will probably be calling it all "photo shopped" I was told to stop shooting the Foxes because the hunt went on the estate. So I shot them anyway. Lol. Nice one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 I've also lost perms/not got perms because of conflicts of interest. The hunts have a louder voice with family friends etc than a lone shooter. Fair play in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 3 hours ago, scolopax said: What were the 350+ hunts supposed to do at the time of the ban? Like shooting is for some hunting is a way of life for many, often going back many generations, some packs have continuous histories of 200+ years with the same bloodlines. Hunting was not just a job or a pastime, it was their life. What were they supposed to do when the ban was imposed on them by a left wing totally urban centric Labour Party? Just meekly say, yeah alright then? ******** to that. Looks like the divide and conquer is working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Penelope said: Looks like the divide and conquer is working. I don't think it's about that at all. The hunts divided themselves from shooting folk long ago by taking a massive dump on shooters. You only need read some of the replies on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mice! Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 3 hours ago, johnphilip said: Can't realy tell with the rubbish video . So the terrier was used to kill the fox perhaps , why the need for hounds . They seemed to have gone to a lot of trouble digging All them holes . Why the need for the hounds to rip up the fox . 3 hours ago, johnphilip said: Did you watch the video , there was 3 foxes in total , and where does it say the fox/ foxes where dead . Make your mind up? The hounds will have put the fox to ground, the terrier might have killed the fox, so it gets pulled out. They'll have dug it out if the land owner wants it sorted because of say lambs being taken I think. Then the second one bolts, not a lot can be done about that. 5 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: The public aren't as stupid as you think. It's blatantly obvious many (not all) hunts are regularly flouting the law and continuing to fox hunt. Hunts are now so toxic due to the sports own stupidity there's no way back for them. Shooters on the other hand are generally some of the most law abiding people in the country and I have no desire to watch shooting going down the plug hole with the hunts supporting them due to their reckless and illegal behaviour. Shooting should distance itself as far as is possible. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, shooters are far from faultless, look how often BOP getting shot is brought up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, johnphilip said: Did you watch the video , there was 3 foxes in total , and where does it say the fox/ foxes where dead . Two foxes, the first was red terrier. where is the proof that it was alive? Where is the proof that hounds actually had it? The cameraman was distracted by the bolting fox and there was no footage of the fox in the whips hands getting released into hounds. if a live fox was released into the hounds that was abominable, but there is no proof that happened. The antis want us to jump to conclusions. I am not sure if there will be any convictions based purely on the footage seen. If I was the defence I would state it is obviously a dead fox and let the prosecution try to prove otherwise. Edited February 9, 2023 by scolopax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rim Fire Posted February 9, 2023 Report Share Posted February 9, 2023 i haven't seen the video so i cant comment but is it of late or before the ban what used to happen they would run the fox to ground terrier man dig down shoot the fox in the hole then throw to the hounds as i said i haven't seen this video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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