oowee Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 A great result for the UK in the negotiation of this new Windsor agreement. Lets hope he can get it through the Tory spoilers. It would make a great foundation for new deals going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 Good grief! Are you on the verge of praising a Conservative? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millrace Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 Untill all the details are aired we in n.ireland are yet to see how great it is.....going on past if the politico,s say its good we're up a very brown creek!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 38 minutes ago, oowee said: A great result for the UK in the negotiation of this new Windsor agreement. Lets hope he can get it through the Tory spoilers. It would make a great foundation for new deals going forward. Have a read of the Spectator written by a Barrister. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-rishi-sunaks-brexit-deal-all-its-cracked-up-to-be/ 14 minutes ago, millrace said: Untill all the details are aired we in n.ireland are yet to see how great it is.....going on past if the politico,s say its good we're up a very brown creek!!!!!! You are. Edited February 28, 2023 by Weihrauch17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted February 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said: Have a read of the Spectator. Just read it (Katy Balls). it will certainly be interesting times ahead. Andrew Marr, LBC (You Tube) paints it as a make or break deal for his premiership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said: Have a read of the Spectator written by a Barrister. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-rishi-sunaks-brexit-deal-all-its-cracked-up-to-be/ Hardly surprising is it? Regardless of whoever took on the PM role, what other options were there? Either that or put a hard boarder into Ireland? All the so called "It won't be an issue" Brexit promises have been nothing but issues, and all the promised deals that they said would be made with other countries and the USA have failed to materialise. Sunak has just come out and wrapped a gold ribbon around the **** sandwich and called it a good deal. What is telling is that the EU woman and him all chummed up shows a very different relationship than we had with Johnson and Truss. I am sure the "New World Order" nut jobs will be having wet dreams as it plays straight into their ideas, after saying there was no possible way to negotiate what so ever, then supposedly making this "deal" ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millrace Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 Thing is....the businesses that stoped trading with us will not restart......why.... simple they have moved on and dont need to be bothered with our small market.... Red and green lanes.....lol..... So this is based on a lorry just containing 1 set of goods for 1 market.....when we know lorrys pick up loads made up to go all over the island.....so again this deal changes nowt for the small man.....may help Tesco's and the large importers but thats it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: Hardly surprising is it? Regardless of whoever took on the PM role, what other options were there? Either that or put a hard boarder into Ireland? All the so called "It won't be an issue" Brexit promises have been nothing but issues, and all the promised deals that they said would be made with other countries and the USA have failed to materialise. Sunak has just come out and wrapped a gold ribbon around the **** sandwich and called it a good deal. What is telling is that the EU woman and him all chummed up shows a very different relationship than we had with Johnson and Truss. I am sure the "New World Order" nut jobs will be having wet dreams as it plays straight into their ideas, after saying there was no possible way to negotiate what so ever, then supposedly making this "deal" ... We voted to leave the EU, the fact that they are still calling the shots in NI means the vote has not been delivered upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said: We voted to leave the EU, the fact that they are still calling the shots in NI means the vote has not been delivered upon. Call it what it is then and install a hard boarder in Northern Ireland or let Northern Ireland join the South ... neither of which we want to do. So we want to leave, but don't want to take any of the 2 options available to "fully deliver on the vote" as you put it. It's akin to a bloke saying he's leaving his wife but refusing to move out of the house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 Sunak has mis sold the whole deal and blatantly lied to the UK public. We voted to leave the EU so cannot have part of the UK controlled by them, which bit of that don't you get. If the EU want a hard border between North and South let them, it simply will not happen and they know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said: Sunak has mis sold the whole deal and blatantly lied to the UK public. Wow that's a bold claim considering what Johnson did with the whole Brexit vote. The promises and claims made that never materialised. 3 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said: We voted to leave the EU so cannot have part of the UK controlled by them, which bit of that don't you get. I get that entirely. We have voted to leave. It is our choice. Therefore surely we are responsible for making our arrangements? In-order to fully leave and them have no control over anything (such as NI) then we either need to put a hard boarder in place, Give Ireland back the 6 counties, or accept a deal with the EU such as Sunak's. Which bit of that don't YOU get? You are suggesting they have no say over NI at all, but we keep NI and we don't have any border what so ever ... how can that work? 7 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said: If the EU want a hard border between North and South let them, it simply will not happen and they know it. It's got nothing to do with the EU WANTING a border ... either a deal is made or a border is simply required by our choice of wanting to leave. You idea that we have made the decision to leave, but we offer no viable solutions to one of the main issues, and then somehow put the onus of resolving that issue onto the EU is absurd, we created the issue with our desire to leave, so we therefore need to come up with a viable option. You are clearly unhappy with Sunak's deal ... so what is your viable alternative? I imagine you don't have one. Just stating "It simply will not happen" is us just sticking our head in the sand and ignoring a blatant problem that we created, hoping it will simply just go away, which is obviously will not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 My idea is for the whole of the UK to leave the EU entirely as per the Brexit vote. If the EU want a border let them put one up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said: My idea is for the whole of the UK to leave the EU entirely as per the Brexit vote. If the EU want a border let them put one up. You're just making statements now, without giving any detail's of how that actually happens. As bad as Johnson with his relentless chanting of "GET BREXIT DONE" without offering any actual solutions. As we have already noted, the EU do not WANT a border, either a border is required, because of our CHOICE to leave, or we can make a deal with the EU about how the Northern Ireland border works. You have already noted you are not happy for the deal option ... so what is your alternative? Making statements of "The Whole of the UK to leave the EU entirely as per the Brexit vote" without defining what that mean's or how it would work is totally meaningless. How do you resolve the NI issue? You are doing the head in the sand trick if you don't offer any solution. Once again, it is our choice to leave, so we need to come up with how that works, the onus is not on the EU to solve our problems for us. It's actually quite ironic really, that you want to leave the EU so they can't "tell us what to do"... yet you want the EU to resolve the NI border issue How funny is that ... we don't want those European's to tell us what to do ... but if they could resolve the NI border issue then at least we can pretend it's not a result of our decision and then blame them for something else? Madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted February 28, 2023 Report Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) We voted to leave the EU so that means no EU controls, it's called democracy but you obviously can't accept that. Sunak's deal gives them control over so much more than borders. The reality is Politicians and the Civil Service never intended to deliver any benefits and haven't. It is up to them to provide solutions and Sunak hasn't done it, just sold NI out. I don't want the EU to resolve the border issue as there isn't one, smuggling has been rife for years. If they want one and we don't they can put one up. It will never happen. Edited February 28, 2023 by Weihrauch17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannon Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 The majority in the North of Ireland voted to remain, and only a complete idiot would not want access to the EU single market. The cost of living is bad enough as it is. Outside of the single market we'd be a lot worse off. This romantic notion of sovereignty will leave you with less money in your pocket at the end of every week. Any threat to personal finances would see the resolve of even the most hardened unionists being tested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 what leaves a nasty taste in my mouth is calling the "windsor agreement".....followed up by a love in session with charles 3rd and usuala fond-of-lyin..........rekon it was designed to get the DUP onboard......... lets see what the small print holds...............its no secrete that my trust for the political class is minus zero...... the MP's will vote for it because they will have a better chance at keeping their jobs and pensions and expenses for doing eff all.......... cynicle...moi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 43 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said: We voted to leave the EU so that means no EU controls, it's called democracy but you obviously can't accept that. What is it that I can’t accept? I voted to leave, I’m not some lunatic remainer. We absolutely voted to leave, and with that come certain issues. The fact we chose to leave means that we don’t want free movement of people and with this there are also restrictions on the movement of goods. This is an obvious side effect of our decision to leave. I was fully aware there would be some issues and consequences when I voted to leave, but wasn’t fully aware of how bad it would be. Johnson et all promising trade deals that never materialised and no issues was all lies. Looking at the situation now; it’s beyond obvious that we either have to have some sort of deal with the EU around the shared land border between the ROI and NI, or we have to have a border (or return the 6 counties). 47 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said: I don't want the EU to resolve the border issue as there isn't one, smuggling has been rife for years. If they want one and we don't they can put one up. It will never happen. How can we have left and have nothing to do with the EU, but also not have a deal, if we don’t have a border? How is that possible? Once again you can’t just stick your head in the sand and pretend the border isn’t there and “Just carry on lads” attitude isn’t sufficient. Your idea that there is no issue and it doesn’t exist, and anyone raising the fact that it is a very real issue that we have created, and we need to resolve is a remainer conspiracy theorist is quite something. Is this your suggestion for how high level international arrangements are made? We don’t like the obvious repercussions of our own decision so we just pretend they’re not there, then if anyone else raises them say “You’re not going to do anything” whilst pretending we’re “Getting it done”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 (edited) We voted to leave, 7 years on we haven't and it is up to Politicians and Civil servants to resolve and they haven't because they don't want to. Betrayed is the word. totally. Edited March 1, 2023 by Weihrauch17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokersmith Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 Such a shame he didn’t get in before the mad woman Truss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbie to this Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 9 hours ago, amateur said: Are you on the verge of praising a Conservative? Do they exist anymore 8 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: Call it what it is then and install a hard boarder in Northern Ireland We are not the ones that have an issue. 7 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: The fact we chose to leave means that we don’t want free movement of people We have had free movement of people with Ireland, long before either of us were in the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walker570 Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 9 hours ago, millrace said: Untill all the details are aired we in n.ireland are yet to see how great it is.....going on past if the politico,s say its good we're up a very brown creek!!!!!! Exactly, spot on and when oowee starts praising a Tory we KNOW we are up the creek without a paddle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted March 1, 2023 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Walker570 said: Exactly, spot on and when oowee starts praising a Tory we KNOW we are up the creek without a paddle. 😁 👍. We know where we are we just need to find a route out of here. I don't care who does it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udderlyoffroad Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 8 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: We absolutely voted to leave, and with that come certain issues. The fact we chose to leave means that we don’t want free movement of people and with this there are also restrictions on the movement of goods. This is an obvious side effect of our decision to leave. Eh? There have been border agreements between the UK/NI and ROI since long before the EU even existed. The Good Friday Agreement effectively guarantees free movement between the two countries, as well as all citizens of NI the right to ROI citizenship if they want it. There are plenty of other land borders between EU and non-EU nations, and there people and goods flow more-or-less freely. The EU allegedly insisting on a 'hard' border was always about propaganda and sour grapes, because aposty is a cardinal sin in their 'religion', and the majority of the UK media swallowed it, completely uncritically. That's not to say May should've accepted the previous farce, nor Boris sign it, but still, small victories. Devil in the detail and all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janner Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 I dont give a damn about business,red lanes, green lanes etc, brexit wasnt about what was best for business, it was about freedom, Wether a citizen of all countries concerned in this ballsup have the same or equal rights and freedoms is what matters to me, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno24 Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 Keep hearing about the EU not wanting our goods to go to Southern Ireland without checks but have not heard a thing about the other way around, does this not matter or is there no need? surely the EU will be able to get to get anything into GB through S.Ireland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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