Penelope Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 2 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: I genuinely don't know how that man can get up in a warm house in the morning and live with himself after what he has inflicted on thousands of vulnerable pensioners 🤢 His heroes, Lenin and Stalin were able too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 2 hours ago, 12gauge82 said: I genuinely don't know how that man can get up in a warm house in the morning and live with himself after what he has inflicted on thousands of vulnerable pensioners To be a politician, you have to have no conscience, and be completely 'cold' to the circumstances of others. They preach understanding, compassion, caring - but the reality is that they are hard, ruthless and totally focussed on their own ambitions for 'power'. If you really had "compassion and a caring nature", you would never make the grade and be trampled underfoot by others with the ruthless ambition necessary to 'get to the top'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B686 Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 It’s so true what the French are saying. If we didn’t give them nothing most of them wouldn’t come here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 5 minutes ago, B686 said: If we didn’t give them nothing most of them wouldn’t come here. You can’t differentiate against them under the Human Rights Act (introduced by Labour). The Act used by Cherie Blair and Starmer over the years to boost their own bank balances in legal fees (but not enough to clothe his wife)… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 27 minutes ago, B686 said: It’s so true what the French are saying. If we didn’t give them nothing most of them wouldn’t come here. Hello, Very true 👍 , But the French are not doing much to stop the Boats that we gave them millions of £s to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 20 minutes ago, Flashman said: You can’t differentiate against them under the Human Rights Act (introduced by Labour). The Act used by Cherie Blair and Starmer over the years to boost their own bank balances in legal fees (but not enough to clothe his wife)… France has the same Human Rights legislation set by the EU. We (the EU) all signed up to it. How is the UK benefit system / work system so much more attractive? https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/284 This article appears to be around 12 years old, but I can’t see a lot has changed. It seems the issue isn’t the Human Rights, it’s the weak and poorly run benefit system that’s easy to access and pays a lot more than most other countries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B686 Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 And this country again is the mug for giving the French all that money knowing full well the French don’t want there in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 2 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, Very true 👍 , But the French are not doing much to stop the Boats that we gave them millions of £s to do The boats changed their strategy, they make the migrants swim out to the boats now so the Police cant stop the boats from launching at the beach. What are the Police supposed to do? Shoot the migrants for trying to leave? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lloyd90 said: What are the Police supposed to do? Deal with the people providing the boats. Deal (i.e. puncture, destroy) the boats before people get to them. Where there is a will, there is a way. Edited September 16 by JohnfromUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 1 minute ago, Lloyd90 said: The boats changed their strategy, they make the migrants swim out to the boats now so the Police cant stop the boats from launching at the beach. What are the Police supposed to do? Shoot the migrants for trying to leave? Hello, Oh I did not see that mention Lloyd, Would some not find that difficult , eg women and children ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clangerman Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 29 minutes ago, Lloyd90 said: The boats changed their strategy, they make the migrants swim out to the boats now so the Police cant stop the boats from launching at the beach. What are the Police supposed to do? Shoot the migrants for trying to leave? France is obliged by law to prevent anyone endangering the lives of children swimming out to a packed dinghy knowing children have already drowned is more than enough grounds for arrest including the parents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 clangerman - we rarely agree, but you have a very valid point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 59 minutes ago, oldypigeonpopper said: eg women and children ?? Are there any? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 i still cant get my head around the massive numbers of these people coming every day/week/year...... and still the govt does nothing..........something bad is going to happen soon...i dont know what.....but violence is the only recourse left to the common people to persue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, Penelope said: Are there any? hello, This last capsize boat it stated 6 Children and 1 Pregnant Lady and 5 Men, Edited September 16 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted September 16 Author Report Share Posted September 16 2 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: France has the same Human Rights legislation set by the EU. We (the EU) all signed up to it. How is the UK benefit system / work system so much more attractive? https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/284 This article appears to be around 12 years old, but I can’t see a lot has changed. It seems the issue isn’t the Human Rights, it’s the weak and poorly run benefit system that’s easy to access and pays a lot more than most other countries. The issue is exactly the human rights act. The French only follow the bits they want to, which nullifys the point to having it, since people will only enjoy the protections in France the government want to give. With the HRA in place, assuming we follow the law (supposedly the highest in the land), the UK is powerless to stop the boats, deport terrorists and a whole host of other serious issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 Just now, 12gauge82 said: The issue is exactly the human rights act. If this is the case, we need to leave it - now. 1 minute ago, 12gauge82 said: The French only follow the bits they want to That applies to most legislation; the French have always picked and chosen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 5 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: France has the same Human Rights legislation set by the EU. We (the EU) all signed up to it. How is the UK benefit system / work system so much more attractive? https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/284 This article appears to be around 12 years old, but I can’t see a lot has changed. It seems the issue isn’t the Human Rights, it’s the weak and poorly run benefit system that’s easy to access and pays a lot more than most other countries. As all UK citizens receive these benefits, the Human Rights Act was used to ensure that all asylum seekers must receive the same benefits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B686 Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 35 minutes ago, Flashman said: As all UK citizens receive these benefits, the Human Rights Act was used to ensure that all asylum seekers must receive the same benefits. Didn’t Two Tier kier have something to do with asylum seekers receiving the same benefits as uk citizens in 1993? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 Just now, B686 said: Didn’t Two Tier kier have something to do with asylum seekers receiving the same benefits as uk citizens in 1993? Very probably. It's the sort of stupid thing he would do - can't stop spending other peoples money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 1 hour ago, Flashman said: As all UK citizens receive these benefits, the Human Rights Act was used to ensure that all asylum seekers must receive the same benefits. Yes, but France had the same don’t they? They just don’t give such massive benefits, when you add up housing benefit, child benefit, tax credit, etc etc etc. Look at shows like “A new life in the sun”… many ex pat Brits go out to Spain, the same rules are applied across Spain, they don’t give massive handouts to anyone. I believe France is similar, you get support for so long then get cut off. So the real issue is we have a broken and poorly implemented benefit system surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 1 minute ago, Lloyd90 said: So the real issue is we have a broken and poorly implemented benefit system surely? We certainly have that. I am all for giving (suitably generous) benefits to the 'needy'. By that I mean tailored to the need for people like those with genuine disabilities, those who are ill, those who are wounded, war widows, or just plain 'very old and infirm' etc. What I see as genuinely needing help from their fellow members of society. Happy to contribute to help - as I hope we all are. I am not so generously minded to those who have self inflicted and curable handicaps (e.g. too fat to work) - and would like to see a 'time limited' benefit linked to a programme to encourage progress back to fitness. I am not at all generously minded 'chosen the benefits lifestyle', are too bone idle to work, tell lies to get benefits or otherwise abuse the system. They would get NOTHING from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPGUN749 Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 (edited) 5 hours ago, ditchman said: i still cant get my head around the massive numbers of these people coming every day/week/year...... and still the govt does nothing..........something bad is going to happen soon...i dont know what.....but violence is the only recourse left to the common people to persue All the government does do is take more and more money from us to pay for them,starting with pensioners. There is much more up their sleeve to hit most British people and as more millions cross the channel the more money we will pay! They should all be taken straight back to French beaches,every one of them,far cheaper than bringing them here for eternity! Every time they try coming again,take them back again,they would soon get the message! But of course we have ridiculous laws that don’t allow common sense. Edited September 16 by TOPGUN749 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 8 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: The boats changed their strategy, they make the migrants swim out to the boats now so the Police cant stop the boats from launching at the beach. What are the Police supposed to do? Shoot the migrants for trying to leave? Use their own boats to get to and puncture the inflatables as they arrive - while still in wading depth water. Or shoot the people bringing the boats. They are very clearly not trying to stop the migrants that will help to burden the UK as punishment for leaving the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man Posted September 16 Report Share Posted September 16 10 hours ago, B686 said: And this country again is the mug for giving the French all that money knowing full well the French don’t want there in the first place. Love thy neighbour?😃 10 hours ago, JohnfromUK said: Deal with the people providing the boats. Deal (i.e. puncture, destroy) the boats before people get to them. Where there is a will, there is a way. Naughty, naughty John. I believe it's an offence to try to prevent individuals from earning a living in the EU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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