Geert Wilders

[ditchman]

Careful what you say on this subject please otherwise it will get locked 

Geert Wilders has had major sucess at the balot box.........what is not reported on the main stream media is the strengthening membership of the far right wing of politics across Europe

is this win by Wilders a kick back to left wing wokismn......or is it a reponse by successive govts to fail to address issues across the board..............?........do you think Westminster are looking at this and are starting to worry that it will start a politicle fire

as i said the far right is gaining strenghth and is not being reported until its in yer face.....Widers is seriously right wing...and i mean seriously....yet the Dutch are turning to him..

[Penelope]

22 minutes ago, ditchman said:

Careful what you say on this subject please otherwise it will get locked 

Geert Wilders has had major sucess at the balot box.........what is not reported on the main stream media is the strengthening membership of the far right wing of politics across Europe

is this win by Wilders a kick back to left wing wokismn......or is it a reponse by successive govts to fail to address issues across the board..............?........do you think Westminster are looking at this and are starting to worry that it will start a politicle fire

as i said the far right is gaining strenghth and is not being reported until its in yer face.....Widers is seriously right wing...and i mean seriously....yet the Dutch are turning to him..

Didn't he do well.

Is this win by Wilders a kick back to left wing wokismn......or is it a response by successive govts to fail to address issues across the board?

Both.

The PM I have sent you shows a nice graph with a massive upsurge of support after a certain date in early October.

Edited November 24, 2023 by Penelope

[welsh1]

[old'un]

Don't think we will see a UK version of Wilders, can you imagine what would happen if someone in the UK came out with his proposals.

[ditchman]

4 minutes ago, old'un said:

Don't think we will see a UK version of Wilders, can you imagine what would happen if someone in the UK came out with his proposals.

they would be locked up.......................mind you he is more extreme than he was before he was banned by Teresa May from entering britain...............yet look at the sucess he has had in Holland !!!!!!

7 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

keep yer knickers on...............you will get intergestion eating thatpopcorn so quickly

[TIGHTCHOKE]

And the countdown begins............................................................................

[old'un]

4 minutes ago, ditchman said:

they would be locked up.......................mind you he is more extreme than he was before he was banned by Teresa May from entering britain...............yet look at the sucess he has had in Holland !!!!!!

keep yer knickers on...............you will get intergestion eating thatpopcorn so quickly

 

unfortunately any decussation on the subject is stifled in the UK, and trying to have a debate on here is only going one way.

 

[ditchman]

12 minutes ago, old'un said:

 

unfortunately any decussation on the subject is stifled in the UK, and trying to have a debate on here is only going one way.

 

what has and is happening in this country is the media and parts of the govt' are dominated by a very powerful liberal woke elite......and any view by the "normal" folk of this country are now viewed as right wing extremism....................

and these people with normal sensible views are starting to kick back...........

[old'un]

Just now, ditchman said:

what has and is happening in this country is the media and parts of the govt' are dominated by a very powerful liberal woke elite......and any view by the "normal" folk of this country are now viewed as right wing extremism....................

and these people with normal sensible views are starting to kick back...........until the popcorn eater comes along….

sad really when you think it is open news/knowledge of what as happened in Holland and why, yet we are unable to discus it fully on here, rules are rules but I guess its how big a stick you want to wave to implement them.

[udderlyoffroad]

32 minutes ago, old'un said:

Don't think we will see a UK version of Wilders, can you imagine what would happen if someone in the UK came out with his proposals.

As in...a long-overdue referendum on the continued membership of the EU?  Yea, can you imagine 🤣

I think the broader point is, if you try to a force a shift of the Overton-Window by describing everything slightly right-of-centre as far right, don't be surprised if you end up with 'far right' elected politicians.

This is a media bubble vs rest of the country problem manifesting itself, again.  You'd think after Trump, Brexit, BLM, numerous electoral successes for right-of-centre parties throughout Europe, the message would be starting to creep through.  Apparently not, we must double down.

[Ian willetts]

After what happened in Ireland yesterday the far right we’re sticking up for their morals for their people in my opinion 

[Penelope]

25 minutes ago, old'un said:

 

unfortunately any decussation on the subject is stifled in the UK, and trying to have a debate on here is only going one way.

 

As it was in Sweden and the Netherlands, but maybe the tide is just on the turn.

1 minute ago, Ian willetts said:

After what happened in Ireland yesterday the far right we’re sticking up for their morals for their people in my opinion 

But they are not the far right.

Please don't fall in the obvious trap. It's grass roots, the indigenous populations have just about had enough of their cultures being undermined and sidelined.

[welsh1]

3 minutes ago, old'un said:

sad really when you think it is open news/knowledge of what as happened in Holland and why, yet we are unable to discus it fully on here, rules are rules but I guess its how big a stick you want to wave to implement them.

You can discuss most things on this site, but you have to be aware it is open for all to see, and from past experience these threads inevitably end up in a slagging match between posters, or go off on a tangent and another sub thread is created.

Be civil, stick within the rules and the thread will tick along.

[figgy]

Hopefully we get someone in the uk to stand up for true values not this woke snowflake crud we are subjected to

it just shows how fed up people are of the current political state. 

[Penelope]

Just now, figgy said:

Hopefully we get someone in the uk to stand up for true values not this woke snowflake crud we are subjected to

it just shows how fed up people are of the current political state. 

In the jungle at the moment though, isn't he?

[Fargo]

Europe needs more of these type of leaders. The way west Europe is going is dreadful and we need some serious backbone with regard to overseas funding, migrants illegal or not, wokeism, and general well-being of the countries residents.  Me for one I am glad and believe we really need some so called “right wingers” in europe like what the PMs of Poland and Hungary are called but are purely looking after their countries best interests 

[ditchman]

i still think that one of the worst things to happen to the European contries is how they took away a major part of their identy by introducing the Euro..........i still cant believe how the French pooped on their Franc.....the Dutch had no chance to vote on joining the EU...and they dumped their Guilder.....the Krona the percater the Deautchmarc

these were major points in the identy of the people..................i even remember how they tried to introduce Esperanto

thank god we got out of the EU...as we could see where it was going............just one big socialist state......flooded with the peoples of the world.............my blood still runs cold thinking about it 

[Deker]

I think Elon Musk covered it, it's not necessarily the "far right" but things have gone waaaaay to the left and it's causing havoc

 

[Fargo]

26 minutes ago, Deker said:

I think Elon Musk covered it, it's not necessarily the "far right" but things have gone waaaaay to the left and it's causing havoc

 

100% correct

What was far left liberal is now the norm so anyone sensible is branded far right 

If we aren’t careful and put a stop to this and gets worse then I really do think we will end up with countries split and divided so badly 

[Wymondley]

4 hours ago, old'un said:

can you imagine what would happen if someone in the UK came out with his proposals.

A lot of people might vote for them.

[matone]

Extreme actions bring about extreme reactions and we`re now seeing the reaction across Europe by the look of it and it will probably not be a good thing for anyone . 

[Rewulf]

Wilders success isnt cataclysmic, his party has  taken less than a quarter of the seats in the parliament, and now needs to form some uneasy alliances to make a government, conditions of which will likely mean him not being PM.
Its a shift alright, but the media frenzy of the Dutch swinging to the far right is just ridiculous.

What is interesting , is that more and more European governments are going this same way, and its mainly to do with immigration, and EU over reach.
The problem is , the more liberal minded/lefties and those with any ties to an immigrant/or being actual immigrant , illegal or legal, tend to balk at the mere mention of controlling it.
As time goes on , these people will become more numerous, and any voting will be skewed away from the 'right'

An example.
A man comes to Holland as an asylum seeker in 2000, it doesnt matter where from or how , but he gains citizen ship and marries/has children.
18 years later , those children have a vote, are natural born Dutch citizens, and are highly unlikely to vote for any anti migrant party like Mr Wilders.

[amateur]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

.......... An example.
A man comes to Holland as an asylum seeker in 2000, it doesnt matter where from or how , but he gains citizen ship and marries/has children.
18 years later , those children have a vote, are natural born Dutch citizens, and are highly unlikely to vote for any anti migrant party like Mr Wilders.

That was Tony Blair's strategy to ensure that the otherwise natural shift to conservatism due to increased affluence was effectively countermanded and Labour had more chance of getting in.

[welsh1]

7 minutes ago, amateur said:

That was Tony Blair's strategy to ensure that the otherwise natural shift to conservatism due to increased affluence was effectively countermanded and Labour had more chance of getting in.

That worked well then.

[Rewulf]

6 minutes ago, amateur said:

That was Tony Blair's strategy to ensure that the otherwise natural shift to conservatism due to increased affluence was effectively countermanded and Labour had more chance of getting in.

Its a sound strategy for left wing politics that arent doing so well, import your votes in from 3rd world countries, their appreciation will be multiplied in future generations.

Just now, welsh1 said:

That worked well then.

The problem is , as you say , when it all goes wrong , and they get voted out.
This doesnt solve the problem, but leaves behind the mess for the next government who, unless they adopt a very unpopular hard line approach, simply cant deal with it.
Time goes by and another generation of migrant children reach voting age, and political options start to run out as the older , more conservative population dies out.
Like I say , its a very sound strategy.

Look at the US, 10s of millions of South American 'refugees' the dems want to give them all the vote quickly, sealing the fate of the 'evil' GOP for the future.
It doesnt matter that the dems are just as bad on the border, the media paints it differently.