Trump supports Putin to attack NATO.

[Newbie to this]

30 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

China doesnt NEED innovation, they can just copy what good ideas we develop, and then mass produce them far cheaper, using their superior manufacturing capacity.

This just about sums it up, and shows the stupidity of those who allowed it to happen.

Didn't BMW take one of their car manufacturers to court for copying one of their cars, and the judge just dismissed the case. 

They do not adhere to international law. What happens in China, is judged only in China.

Edited February 15 by Newbie to this

[Gordon R]

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For EVERYONE, dont think Russia and China arent learning too, and by the time its over , Russia will have around 1 million combat hardened veterans, that have faced western tech , and know how to defeat it, this they will share with the Chinese.

Sadly, I think you are right. Russia invaded Ukraine and should never profit from that. I think the reality is that they will gain territory when the war ends, as it must at some point. The longer it goes on, the less chance of a Ukraine victory. 

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, Newbie to this said:

This just about sums it up, and shows the stupidity of those who allowed it to happen.

Didn't BMW take one of their car manufacturers to court for copying one of their cars, and the judge just dismissed the case. 

They do not adhere to international law. What happens in China, is judged only in China.

Not to mention cutting edge fighter jets.

[Mungler]

7 hours ago, Gordon R said:

Gotta love a European Army and European joint nuclear force. That would merely be the French having a bigger army and more nuclear weapons, without paying.

They must think we are truly stupid.

Laugh at what Trump said, but he was on the money. Too many EU countries don't want to pay for the security which they demand. They aren't paying now, so what gives any rational person the idea that they might suddenly start paying.

Spot on.

7 hours ago, oowee said:

It's right we all have to pay. Big difference between that and encouraging Russia to attack those that do not. 

Positive step forward with new drone partnership for Ukraine with UK and Latvia. 

He didn’t. As ever, he was quoted out of context (the context being a 1 hour state based campaign speech) for political capital.

 

[oowee]

11 hours ago, Rewulf said:

China doesnt NEED innovation, they can just copy what good ideas we develop, and then mass produce them far cheaper, using their superior manufacturing capacity.

For EVERYONE, dont think Russia and China arent learning too, and by the time its over , Russia will have around 1 million combat hardened veterans, that have faced western tech , and know how to defeat it, this they will share with the Chinese.

Copying is always at least last generation behind. The Chinese took HK but lost much of the knowledge. They need Taiwan for the chip tech but even that is currently being drained.

The Chinese have competent mass production but as with the Russians are hampered by corruption. Population control stifles criticism resulting in a lack of learning. Counterfeit, poorly regulated incorrectly labeled goods prevail.

Russia have barely enough men to run its industry now. Those that have faced the Ukrainians are mostly dead or crippled. They are not facing Western tech simply a bunch of uncoordinated and often old munitions. The Russian tactics are charecterised by slow learning.

If they were facing the West they would be largely gone already.

The Chinese already know how to manage meat waves and don't need Russia to show them. 

What is concerning is the lack of capacity and munitions we have. 

[oowee]

7 hours ago, Mungler said:

Spot on.

He didn’t. As ever, he was quoted out of context (the context being a 1 hour state based campaign speech) for political capital.

 

'I would encourage them ro do what the hell they want'

Pretty clear to all including most of NATO and Europe.  If there is any doubt then maybe he should think more before opening his gob.

[JohnfromUK]

42 minutes ago, oowee said:

What is concerning is the lack of capacity and munitions we have. 

Way back in Roman times the saying went "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum"

It was from Roman author Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Si_vis_pacem,_para_bellum) meaning loosely "If you want peace, prepare for war".

[Penelope]

18 hours ago, Gordon R said:

The problem is that the UK and USA do pay, but others don't.

Trump didn't encourage Russia to attack other countries. He merely pointed out the consequences of free loading. It was a wake up call to non payers, but there was always going to be the hysterical reaction. It's a shame that those critics don't put the same effort into berating non payers, but that doesn't grab the woke headlines, does it?

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[Stuarta]

 We put 2% into defence spending but the civil service MOD manages to waste and mismanage a large proportion of the money. From Ajax tanks, ships engines that over heat when deployed to the warmer waters in the eastern med, two aircraft carriers that can each carry 36 fighter planes going to sea with 8 between them.

Government is also muddle headed, why did David Cameron when PM agree to scrap our Harriers before we had replacements? 

The government needs to clear out the dead wood in the civil service and get value for money. 

Rant over

 

[Rewulf]

5 hours ago, oowee said:

Copying is always at least last generation behind. The Chinese took HK but lost much of the knowledge. They need Taiwan for the chip tech but even that is currently being drained.

The Chinese have competent mass production but as with the Russians are hampered by corruption. Population control stifles criticism resulting in a lack of learning. Counterfeit, poorly regulated incorrectly labeled goods prevail.

Russia have barely enough men to run its industry now. Those that have faced the Ukrainians are mostly dead or crippled. They are not facing Western tech simply a bunch of uncoordinated and often old munitions. The Russian tactics are charecterised by slow learning.

If they were facing the West they would be largely gone already.

That's all pretty much heresay , or the rantings of some tabloid hack from the guardian who has done no real research other than to read some other hacks rantings. It has no basis in reality or facts.

 

5 hours ago, oowee said:

The Chinese already know how to manage meat waves and don't need Russia to show them. 

Meat waves are just a term by said hacks to tell a gullible public how bad Russia are losing , the reality again , is somewhat different . Ukraine is losing , and the closest thing to meat waves , is ukraines uncanny ability to throw men and materiel into impossible situations, where it is decimated.

5 hours ago, oowee said:

What is concerning is the lack of capacity and munitions we have

It is concerning , but when you realise that NATO doesn't perceive the threat to be quite as serious as they tell said gullible public, it makes more sense. 

[Gordon R]

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It is concerning , but when you realise that NATO doesn't perceive the threat to be quite as serious as they tell said gullible public, it makes more sense. 

An astute observation.

[old man]

1 hour ago, Stuarta said:

 We put 2% into defence spending but the civil service MOD manages to waste and mismanage a large proportion of the money. From Ajax tanks, ships engines that over heat when deployed to the warmer waters in the eastern med, two aircraft carriers that can each carry 36 fighter planes going to sea with 8 between them.

Government is also muddle headed, why did David Cameron when PM agree to scrap our Harriers before we had replacements? 

The government needs to clear out the dead wood in the civil service and get value for money. 

Rant over

 

The aircraft carriers are a joke, no planes an no reliability?

Useless politicians?

A civil service that's untouchable?

UK in a nutshell?

[Yellow Bear]

2 minutes ago, old man said:

A civil service that's untouchable

This is the main problem here and in Europe   ---- Untouchable and self perpetuating 

[old man]

4 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said:

This is the main problem here and in Europe   ---- Untouchable and self perpetuating 

Yep, and still hiding at home probably?

60 hours claimed, 30 seconds actual meaningful contribution.

"Yes Minister" is alive and thriving? About the same performance as the average politico.?

Edited February 16 by old man

[JohnfromUK]

Just now, old man said:

"Yes Minister" is alive and thriving?

It was Mrs Thatcher, who when she had made a guest appearance on "Yes Minister" said quite seriously that it was actually quite realistic.

[Yellow Bear]

5 minutes ago, old man said:

Yep, and still hiding at home probably?

60 hours claimed, 30 seconds actual meaningful contribution.

"Yes Minister" is alive and thriving? About the same performance as the average politico.?

That's is a bit harsh on the politicos.

[old man]

15 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said:

That's is a bit harsh on the politicos.

Sadly, after experiencing their performances over the last 60 years the penny has dropped.

I hold them in the same esteem as afforded to me.

[Penelope]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

Meat waves are just a term by said hacks to tell a gullible public how bad Russia are losing , the reality again , is somewhat different . Ukraine is losing , and the closest thing to meat waves , is ukraines uncanny ability to throw men and materiel into impossible situations, where it is decimated.

I have recently seen footage on Ukrainian men be pressed into serving; dragged off of buses and the like.

[oowee]

2 hours ago, Penelope said:

I have recently seen footage on Ukrainian men be pressed into serving; dragged off of buses and the like.

And? It's war. People get pressed into service. People die. 

[Rewulf]

40 minutes ago, oowee said:

And? It's war. People get pressed into service.

I thought we had moved on from the 1800s ?
What ever happened to the UN human rights act 

UKR press gang : 'Cmon Igor , youre off to die in a meat wave fighting the orcs'
Igor : 'But Ive got a wife and 5 kids, who will look after them ?'
UKR PG : ' Dont worry my friend, Ill check up on her when Im in the mood, its war ya know, people die'

[oowee]

More than 2 kids is an exemption. 

 

[Rewulf]

17 minutes ago, oowee said:

More than 2 kids is an exemption. 

 

Who cannot be mobilized?

 

The following persons are not subject to general mobilization

– men over 60 years of age;

– reserved persons (citizens employed by public authorities, critical enterprises or organizations)

– citizens recognized as unfit for military service for health reasons;

– citizens who provide full-time care for a person with a disability (if there are documents confirming the fact of care and incapacity of the person (full or partial);

– men and women with many children (if they have three or more minor children);

– single parents of a minor child or a child with a disability.

 

In addition, they cannot be called up for military service:

– persons who have close relatives who died or went missing while participating in hostilities;

– women and men who have a minor child and a spouse who is performing military service;

– recipients of vocational pre-university and higher education, trainee assistants, graduate students and doctoral students studying full-time or dual education;

– persons who have received a deferment from military service.

Volodymyr Zelensky ( He doesnt like fighting, he just likes wearing the uniform)

Any mates of Zelensky (as long as you buy him beers)

Edited February 16 by Rewulf

[oowee]

Zelensky.  I need ammunition not a ride. 👍

Enough said. 

[Rewulf]

20 minutes ago, oowee said:

Zelensky.  I need ammunition not a ride. 👍

[oowee]

Trump to meet Orban 🤣

Anyone doubt Trumps plans to turn US into an Autocracy? 

The sooner we have a world wide investigation to root out Russian bribes and influence on democracy the better. Carlson, MTG, Mike Johnson, Tory party, Orban, Marine Le Pen its pretty much everywhere.