More EU deception

[12gauge82]

It has come to light the uk has effectively lost control of NI which is now for all intents and purposes under the control of the EU. It seems like a mental conspiracy theory, but it would appear legislation has been written into law, with the intent to deceive and control the UK. I find it almost unbelievable.

https://youtu.be/fAdTC0vsMD4?si=3Y0FVcz8tP2HjwRB

[TIGHTCHOKE]

29 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

It has come to light the uk has effectively lost control of NI which is now for all intents and purposes under the control of the EU. It seems like a mental conspiracy theory, but it would appear legislation has been written into law, with the intent to deceive and control the UK. I find it almost unbelievable.

https://youtu.be/fAdTC0vsMD4?si=3Y0FVcz8tP2HjwRB

I don't, I find it disappointing in the extreme.

[Zoli 12 guage]

8 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

I don't, I find it disappointing in the extreme.

AND I DON'T,

i find it unbelievable that this or any other UK government has agreed to AND signed off the legislation that is being systematically picked apart by savvy lawyers that are obviously more adept than the lawyers (read clowns here) that the UK had to to OK the sham that this is😡😡😡

[enfieldspares]

Were we not all told that Boris Johnson who negotiated and agreed to all this knew what he was signing and what his Conservative Government was enacting into law. So I find it odd that now apparently people are claiming they didn't know. What else other way could it have so happened? Or did a big boy do it and then he ran away?

Edited May 14 by enfieldspares

[millrace]

Thank your selves that you dont live here!🙄

[oowee]

48% thought that the decision to leave would drive a wedge between UK and NI. There is simply nothing positive to come out of the decision and the down side is hugely expensive. 

Putin is happy of course. 

[old man]

No surprise really, all a giveaway?

Just further destruction from within.

 

[12gauge82]

13 hours ago, oowee said:

48% thought that the decision to leave would drive a wedge between UK and NI. There is simply nothing positive to come out of the decision and the down side is hugely expensive. 

Putin is happy of course. 

A group of people knew exactly what they were doing, Treason Dismay also when she locked us into the mess before she left.

The fact is, there are many in power who were prepared to ignore the result of the referendum and did everything they could to try to block Brexit and it would appear they have even signed away NI. If they'd got behind Brexit instead of trying to sabotage it at every turn, the UK would be in a far better position.

I'm just glad we've left the corrupt undemocratic gangster organisation that is the EU. All this sort of stuff shows is they can't be trusted and neither can the politicians on our own side who are for it.

[JohnfromUK]

The EU is challenging Brexit in a number of areas.  This one is about conservation (mainly puffins) by protecting sandeels from being extracted from our waters by the EU member states (mainly Denmark).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9rrpn955qo

[Yellow Bear]

2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

The EU is challenging Brexit in a number of areas.  This one is about conservation (mainly puffins) by protecting sandeels from being extracted from our waters by the EU member states (mainly Denmark).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9rrpn955qo

And, not surprisingly, the silence from Kwiss and his chums is deafening.

[old man]

2 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

The EU is challenging Brexit in a number of areas.  This one is about conservation (mainly puffins) by protecting sandeels from being extracted from our waters by the EU member states (mainly Denmark).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9rrpn955qo

Sadly they have more useless buffoons to raise low grade questions than our buffoons are able to cope with?

No doubt the member states are still sucking up all fish from our coastal waters unchallenged or licensed to the highest bidder?

[oowee]

8 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

A group of people knew exactly what they were doing, Treason Dismay also when she locked us into the mess before she left.

The fact is, there are many in power who were prepared to ignore the result of the referendum and did everything they could to try to block Brexit and it would appear they have even signed away NI. If they'd got behind Brexit instead of trying to sabotage it at every turn, the UK would be in a far better position.

I'm just glad we've left the corrupt undemocratic gangster organisation that is the EU. All this sort of stuff shows is they can't be trusted and neither can the politicians on our own side who are for it.

There is nothing to get behind. We only signed away NI after we voted for it. They are laughing all the way to the bank. Far right groups in the EU are now saying we want to stay in the EU having seen the economic decline here. 

Hopefully we can still join the EU Arms race. 

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

There is nothing to get behind. We only signed away NI after we voted for it. They are laughing all the way to the bank. Far right groups in the EU are now saying we want to stay in the EU having seen the economic decline here. 

Hopefully we can still join the EU Arms race. 

Oowee, personal question if I may, what did you like so much about being in the EU and what has impacted you so much having left?

For me I hated being dictated to from unelected foreign entity that seemed to hate on us and I don't feel I've lost anything at all from leaving.

Edited May 15 by 12gauge82

[oowee]

Free trade, free movement, common standards, legal safeguards for rights, educational exchange, joint research, bloc purchasing power, leverage, knowledge exchange, large project collaboration are just a few. 

I would dispute that we were dictated to. We had more rights than most and could have played a leading role. The apparent hate comes from a media that wants to sell content. The cost to UK plc is in the region of 6% of the economy. On an individual day to day basis most of us will struggle to get services (builders, electricians etc), try and get a new dentist. Social services, and health services are at the very least in decline if not collapsed. 

We are seeing standards eroded as we begin the process of competing on price. It just goes on and on.

Personally now I have a work around on the 90 / 180 rule it's not a a great issue. Sad to see the loss of opportunity for the country. 

 

Edited May 15 by oowee

[Cosmicblue]

Hilarious.

So the UK spent 47 years in the EU, during which time policies, processes and procedures, many enshrined in law and interwoven/interlinked with a multiple countries and legal systems were created.

Along comes Brexit and a bunch of politicians/civil servants try to unravel something incredibly complex in world that's vastly different than it was in 1973 (when we joined the EEC) in five years flat?   Will take decades to complete...if ever.

2 minutes ago, oowee said:

Free trade, free movement, common standards, legal safeguards for rights, educational exchange, joint research, bloc purchasing power, leverage, knowledge exchange, large project collaboration are just a few. 

I would dispute that we were dictated to. We had more rights than most and could have played a leading role. The apparent hate comes from a media that wants to sell content. The cost to UK plc is in the region of 6% of the economy. On an individual day to day basis most of us will struggle to get services (builders, electricians etc), try and get a new dentist. Social services, and health services are at the very least in decline if not collapsed. 

We are seeing standards eroded as we begin the process of competing on price. It just goes on and on.

Personally now I have a work around on the 90 / 180 rule it's not a a great issue. Sad to see the loss of opportunity for the country. 

 

100% agree.  Mr Cameron gave the country the opportunity to vote for something that very few people truly understood the implications of, evidenced in some of the posts in this thread.  Out political system truly failed us - Larry that cat has more of an idea. 

[Rewulf]

5 hours ago, oowee said:

Far right groups in the EU are now saying we want to stay in the EU having seen the economic decline here

So we should listen to foreign far right groups now ?

Point of issue here, we LEFT the EU,  we would have to reapply for membership, and that would come at a heavy price.

Also, seeing as the EU is also in decline, how would that help us?

5 hours ago, oowee said:

Hopefully we can still join the EU Arms race

What EU arms race!?

We are mostly all in NATO,  and our arms industries are intrinsically tied together, and have been for decades.

[12gauge82]

7 hours ago, oowee said:

Free trade, free movement, common standards, legal safeguards for rights, educational exchange, joint research, bloc purchasing power, leverage, knowledge exchange, large project collaboration are just a few. 

I would dispute that we were dictated to. We had more rights than most and could have played a leading role. The apparent hate comes from a media that wants to sell content. The cost to UK plc is in the region of 6% of the economy. On an individual day to day basis most of us will struggle to get services (builders, electricians etc), try and get a new dentist. Social services, and health services are at the very least in decline if not collapsed. 

We are seeing standards eroded as we begin the process of competing on price. It just goes on and on.

Personally now I have a work around on the 90 / 180 rule it's not a a great issue. Sad to see the loss of opportunity for the country. 

 

That's what the media would say, but on a individual level, I don't know anyone who sees any negative impact on their lives, but then I don't know many people who were not in favour of brexit, which is why I asked you what you felt had happened that was so bad that is personally affected you since we left. Maybe I'm being thick but I'm still not sure from your post what has affected you so badly.

[12gauge82]

7 hours ago, Cosmicblue said:

Hilarious.

So the UK spent 47 years in the EU, during which time policies, processes and procedures, many enshrined in law and interwoven/interlinked with a multiple countries and legal systems were created.

Along comes Brexit and a bunch of politicians/civil servants try to unravel something incredibly complex in world that's vastly different than it was in 1973 (when we joined the EEC) in five years flat?   Will take decades to complete...if ever.

100% agree.  Mr Cameron gave the country the opportunity to vote for something that very few people truly understood the implications of, evidenced in some of the posts in this thread.  Out political system truly failed us - Larry that cat has more of an idea. 

All those policys and procedures were transferred over when we left, brexit gave us the ability to reform any that we're beneficial to the UK, make our own new ones, or not be forced to take new ones dictated by the unelected lot in Brussels.

If you don't mind, I'll ask you the same question as Oowee, what specifically has had such a negative impact on your personal life since we've left?

[12gauge82]

16 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

The EU is challenging Brexit in a number of areas.  This one is about conservation (mainly puffins) by protecting sandeels from being extracted from our waters by the EU member states (mainly Denmark).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9rrpn955qo

The entitlement of them gets me. They are UK sovereign waters, why on earth do they feel they have the right to fish in them. I'd be interested to see where this panel of people are going to come from to make a ruling l, I would think it almost impossible to make up an impartial body which is not politically motivated. Even including environmental groups, as they will receive funding from one side or the other.

This is why a hard brexit would have been better, it'd be like having a divorce and trying to continue to socialise and live together, it'll never work, particularly when the EU look for ever opportunitie to 'punish' the UK at every turn to deter others from leaving.

[JohnfromUK]

48 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

This is why a hard brexit would have been better, it'd be like having a divorce and trying to continue to socialise and live together, it'll never work, particularly when the EU look for ever opportunity to 'punish' the UK at every turn to deter others from leaving.

I have stated many times before in these various threads;

1. I originally voted to join a "Common Market" and I could see advantages in that - and that still applies ........... but it then began to go far beyond that.  Common rules and regulations that we followed to the letter, but other member states ignored.  Money syphoned from those who were efficient and did well passed to subsidise inefficiencies elsewhere (especially the monstrous Common Agricultural Policy with it's 'fiddled Green Pound' exchange rates, wine lakes, butter mountains etc.  The common currency (that tied together quite different economies in different cultures and climates) was always going to hurt some.
2. I in fact voted "Remain", not because I liked the EU and felt it benefited us ............. but because I thought it would prove impossible to truly leave.  There were a variety of reasons for that,
   1. A government that didn't want Brexit, (not) 'held to account' by an opposition whose leader Jeremy Corbyn (probably) wanted to leave, but most of whose party didn't.
   2. A succession of leaders Teresa May, Boris Johnson, etc. who talked but didn't do - principally because they had no control over (a) their party, (b) the civil servants tasked with actioning policy and (c) a House of Lords that wanted only to disrupt in any way they could.
3. The vote went leave and I have backed it since.  That's democracy.  But much of Parliament (MP's, Lords, and disgracefully the Speaker at the time), the Judiciary, the Civil Service wouldn't accept the vote outcome.
4. Teresa May trumpeted that "no deal was better than a bad deal" then went on to agree a bad deal
5. Boris Johnson did what he does so well - managed to convince people he had done something ..... when he hadn't .... with his claim that he "Got Brexit Done".  What he got was another 'bad deal'.  Perhaps less bad than May's, but bad in many areas - especially the messy Northern Ireland 'fudge', and the vague fishing policies.

Taking this forward, it is a near certainty that we will have a Labour Government next year.  Starmer will cosy up to Europe, and Europe will extract a heavy price.  They badly miss the generous funding they got from the UK.

As for the utterly half-witted idea of a "European Army" .......... we are in NATO.  We must remain in NATO - as must the other EU NATO member states, and focus our defence policies and spending as an integral member at the heart of NATO and not get diverted into EU vanity projects which could only have the effect of diluting, splitting and weakening NATO.

Edited May 16 by JohnfromUK

[oowee]

1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said:

The entitlement of them gets me. They are UK sovereign waters, why on earth do they feel they have the right to fish in them. I'd be interested to see where this panel of people are going to come from to make a ruling l, I would think it almost impossible to make up an impartial body which is not politically motivated. Even including environmental groups, as they will receive funding from one side or the other.

This is why a hard brexit would have been better, it'd be like having a divorce and trying to continue to socialise and live together, it'll never work, particularly when the EU look for ever opportunitie to 'punish' the UK at every turn to deter others from leaving.

I think we just have to accept as a small country we will have to find a new way to do things. We have to either make friends with the big kids or accept a good kicking. 

5 hours ago, Rewulf said:

 

What EU arms race!?

We are mostly all in NATO,  and our arms industries are intrinsically tied together, and have been for decades.

Looking at EU proposals to up spending and keep it local. Move funding from the US to the EU. 

[12gauge82]

55 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

I have stated many times before in these various threads;

1. I originally voted to join a "Common Market" and I could see advantages in that - and that still applies ........... but it then began to go far beyond that.  Common rules and regulations that we followed to the letter, but other member states ignored.  Money syphoned from those who were efficient and did well passed to subsidise inefficiencies elsewhere (especially the monstrous Common Agricultural Policy with it's 'fiddled Green Pound' exchange rates, wine lakes, butter mountains etc.  The common currency (that tied together quite different economies in different cultures and climates) was always going to hurt some.
2. I in fact voted "Remain", not because I liked the EU and felt it benefited us ............. but because I thought it would prove impossible to truly leave.  There were a variety of reasons for that,
   1. A government that didn't want Brexit, (not) 'held to account' by an opposition whose leader Jeremy Corbyn (probably) wanted to leave, but most of whose party didn't.
   2. A succession of leaders Teresa May, Boris Johnson, etc. who talked but didn't do - principally because they had no control over (a) their party, (b) the civil servants tasked with actioning policy and (c) a House of Lords that wanted only to disrupt in any way they could.
3. The vote went leave and I have backed it since.  That's democracy.  But much of Parliament (MP's, Lords, and disgracefully the Speaker at the time), the Judiciary, the Civil Service wouldn't accept the vote outcome.
4. Teresa May trumpeted that "no deal was better than a bad deal" then went on to agree a bad deal
5. Boris Johnson did what he does so well - managed to convince people he had done something ..... when he hadn't .... with his claim that he "Got Brexit Done".  What he got was another 'bad deal'.  Perhaps less bad than May's, but bad in many areas - especially the messy Northern Ireland 'fudge', and the vague fishing policies.

Taking this forward, it is a near certainty that we will have a Labour Government next year.  Starmer will cosy up to Europe, and Europe will extract a heavy price.  They badly miss the generous funding they got from the UK.

As for the utterly half-witted idea of a "European Army" .......... we are in NATO.  We must remain in NATO - as must the other EU NATO member states, and focus our defence policies and spending as an integral member at the heart of NATO and not get diverted into EU vanity projects which could only have the effect of diluting, splitting and weakening NATO.

An excellent and very insightful post John. I absolutely respect those who voted remain and I can't deny your reasoning for doing so is very logical. What has annoyed me with brexit, is very few on the remain side both politicians and the public will have an honest discussion and accept the pros and cons of brexit and many of the leave politicians to a much lesser extent the same, I'd say public in favour of leave are quite open about the cons of leaving providing they are genuine concerns. The problem with that situation is it made/makes it very difficult to make an informed decision about leave or remain and almost impossible to make good decisions going forwards due to the agendas and lies in the way.

[12gauge82]

5 minutes ago, oowee said:

I think we just have to accept as a small country we will have to find a new way to do things. We have to either make friends with the big kids or accept a good kicking. 

 

Why, why should the UK have to cowe down to the EU and be forced into membership? There are many successful countries around the world that do perfectly well as sovereign nations and why would we want to be part of an organisation that behaves in that way, that's not a club, it's a gang with a mafia mentality.

[JohnfromUK]

15 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

An excellent and very insightful post John. I absolutely respect those who voted remain and I can't deny your reasoning for doing so is very logical.

Thank you.  The absolutely key thing is that when you call/have referendum/vote - you MUST respect the outcome and carry that through to the best of your ability. 

As an aside on that David Cameron called the vote (because he had his arm twisted to promise to do so in his manifesto), he lost the vote (in my view because the EU let him down in not giving him a few more concessions).  Cameron then resigned (presumably) because he didn't think he (as a remainer) was the right man to carry through the vote outcome.  I respect that - and whoever came after Cameron should have been a determined leaver keen to do a proper Brexit - but we got Teresa May - who took on the post to carry out something she hadn't really wanted.  The remainers (and particularly those charged with putting Brexit into action) saw that as a weakness and exploited it, prevaricating, frustrating and delaying - and ( suspect) drafting 'deals' that they knew wouldn't be agreed.

Also remember that Boris Johnson also 'sat on the fence' on Brexit until very shortly before the vote - as he had not before been a firm Brexit enthusiast.  Boris would always go whichever way suited his personal ambitions - but once committed he was (and is) very good at selling his chosen way.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/comment/brexit-likely-stay-done

[Good shot?]

10 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

Oowee, personal question if I may, what did you like so much about being in the EU and what has impacted you so much having left?

From Oowee previous post it would seem the main reason may be the restrictions placed on him when visiting France on his boat with his pet dog.

I would think he may be able to apply for an exemption.