oowee Posted June 12 Report Share Posted June 12 29 minutes ago, Yellow Bear said: Also shows how worried the left are that the gov. thinks it is necessary. Shows the sorry state of our nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 Reform has now overtaken the Conservatives in official polling. So a vote for the Conservatives is now a vote for Labour 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said: Reform has now overtaken the Conservatives in official polling. So a vote for the Conservatives is now a vote for Labour 😂 Reform are doing amazing for the short period they have been going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red696 Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 Farage is doing well in the debate, he has just destroyed Mourdant 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 Farage can bury Sunak and Starmer in any debate, which isn't saying much for the leaders of the two main parties. I can't remember a more inept pair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 Hello, he is right on the over population of the UK , The Conservatives say they will reduce legal immigration but there is not much sign of reducing illegal immigration🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 13 Report Share Posted June 13 2 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, he is right on the over population of the UK , The Conservatives say they will reduce legal immigration but there is not much sign of reducing illegal immigration🤔 The Conservatives have been promising to lower migration for 14 years and have not delivered every time. I'm all for migration but not uncontrolled illegal migration as happens now. Our country is completely broken, we need radical change and that won't happen with Labour or Tories in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robden Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 If we could vote for the leader of a party and not your local candidate, Farage would romp home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Best Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, Robden said: If we could vote for the leader of a party and not your local candidate, Farage would romp home. 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 10 hours ago, oldypigeonpopper said: Hello, he is right on the over population of the UK , The Conservatives say they will reduce legal immigration but there is not much sign of reducing illegal immigration🤔 His mantra is a one trick pony. If people vote on the basis of this one idea then they have been hoodwinked by the propaganda. There are so many more important issues to focus on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted June 14 Author Report Share Posted June 14 20 minutes ago, oowee said: His mantra is a one trick pony. If people vote on the basis of this one idea then they have been hoodwinked by the propaganda. There are so many more important issues to focus on. Talking of one trick ponies 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good shot? Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 Overpopulation impinges negatively on very many of the UK problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 (edited) 37 minutes ago, oowee said: His mantra is a one trick pony. If people vote on the basis of this one idea then they have been hoodwinked by the propaganda. There are so many more important issues to focus on. Hello, Stopping illegal migration on boats i would think is very important ?? Edited June 14 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoli 12 guage Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 (edited) 46 minutes ago, oowee said: There are so many more important issues to focus on. like what🤔 raping people's pensions, your house value and council tax,investments etc,etc,etc. hammer normal hard working people to fund the spongers and workshy. AND,lets not forget the motorist. normal service under the socialist jackboot 👍 Edited June 14 by Zoli 12 guage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 I cannot speak for others, but in my circle of friends / relatives uncontrolled immigration is the biggest issue. Farage might well be a one trick pony, but given a free hand, I trust he would make more of an effort. The Tories have failed and Labour don't even want to discuss specifics. Meaningless soundbites like "We will smash the people smuggling gangs" are just rubbish. I would venture that Farage, as an individual, speaks for more of the voters than Starmer or Sunak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted June 14 Author Report Share Posted June 14 9 minutes ago, Gordon R said: I would venture that Farage, as an individual, speaks for more of the voters than Starmer or Sunak. No need to venure, he tops all polls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 (edited) Hello, i just heard on the Phone in with Nicky Cambell Nigel Farage is advocating we should work longer than 66 or soon to be 67 , how will that go down with Reform voters or any voters ??, more so our Younger Generation of Voters, ?? Work till you drop !!!!!! Edited June 14 by oldypigeonpopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoli 12 guage Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 39 minutes ago, Penelope said: No need to venure, he tops all polls. and rightly so👍 the main topic of conversation with everyone i socialise with AND on this very forum is this exact issue. AND,if you ask Farage a question you get a direct answer to THAT question not a "dance round the houses" like every one of the Westminster trough feeders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 Wealth health and security would seem to me to be the priorities. I appreciate that immigration is an important issue but its small by comparison, blown out of proportion by those that want to divide the country. Get the basics right and the rest can fall into place. Whatever policy any party puts forward will be shot down by those unable to look at a bigger picture. We all want change but none of us will spell out what it is and what we have to do to achieve it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 Hello, It is costing the UK tax payer 5 plus million £s a day to house illegal immigrants a day who have crossed the channel that should be a top priority in any manifesto for this forth coming election ?? , We need to get tough on France who are given millions of £s to stop the boaters ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnfromUK Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 2 hours ago, Zoli 12 guage said: like what🤔 raping people's pensions, your house value and council tax,investments etc,etc,etc. hammer normal hard working people to fund the spongers and workshy. AND,lets not forget the motorist. You've just summed up Labour's policies quite clearly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoli 12 guage Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 51 minutes ago, oowee said: Wealth health and security would seem to me to be the priorities. I appreciate that immigration is an important issue but its small by comparison, blown out of proportion by those that want to divide the country. SERIOUSLY 😮 again and as usual🥱 so what's your left wing solution then🤔 wait till all Africa moves to Europe and then decide,whoops,we seem to be a tad full? but by then,it's too late,. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, oowee said: Wealth health and security would seem to me to be the priorities. I appreciate that immigration is an important issue but its small by comparison, blown out of proportion by those that want to divide the country. Its not 'small' though is it ? In 2000 the population was 58 million, and net immigration was around 158000, in 1997 when Blair came to power net migration was 19 - 20,000 , and in previous years to that was virtually zero, due to more people leaving than arriving, the funny thing is, the NHS and public services worked fine before Blair, hospital waiting lists were managed, school places were plentiful, and a housing crisis was non existent. Blairs labour government ENCOURAGED 3rd world migration, encouraged EU migration with a very attractive benefits system that largely still exists today. Today we have around 68 million people here , and net migration approaching 700,000, likely another million or so lurking undocumented, we have a broken NHS , a housing and cost of living crisis, and a lack of hope that anything is going to get better. Blame the tories if you like , and I will too, but this issue started with Blair and the last labour regime, and IMHO we are going to see a repeat of this with Starmer, he has already announced a proposed amnesty for illegals, and these people will join the fray, requiring benefits, housing and NHS care, and when this happens, more will come from those 3rd world countries, and not to work , or pay into the system. If you think that this new government are going to make 'Things can only get better' then just on the immigration question alone , No. They. Wont. Its going to get worse, much worse. And Farage, the 'far' right, whatever you want to label them as , will be rubbing their hands in anticipation of all the extra support this is going to bring them. You reap what you so Im afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldypigeonpopper Posted June 14 Report Share Posted June 14 3 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Its not 'small' though is it ? In 2000 the population was 58 million, and net immigration was around 158000, in 1997 when Blair came to power net migration was 19 - 20,000 , and in previous years to that was virtually zero, due to more people leaving than arriving, the funny thing is, the NHS and public services worked fine before Blair, hospital waiting lists were managed, school places were plentiful, and a housing crisis was non existent. Blairs labour government ENCOURAGED 3rd world migration, encouraged EU migration with a very attractive benefits system that largely still exists today. Today we have around 68 million people here , and net migration approaching 700,000, likely another million or so lurking undocumented, we have a broken NHS , a housing and cost of living crisis, and a lack of hope that anything is going to get better. Blame the tories if you like , and I will too, but this issue started with Blair and the last labour regime, and IMHO we are going to see a repeat of this with Starmer, he has already announced a proposed amnesty for illegals, and these people will join the fray, requiring benefits, housing and NHS care, and when this happens, more will come from those 3rd world countries, and not to work , or pay into the system. If you think that this new government are going to make 'Things can only get better' then just on the immigration question alone , No. They. Wont. Its going to get worse, much worse. And Farage, the 'far' right, whatever you want to label them as , will be rubbing their hands in anticipation of all the extra support this is going to bring them. You reap what you so Im afraid. Excellent Post 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted June 14 Author Report Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, oowee said: Wealth health and security would seem to me to be the priorities. I appreciate that immigration is an important issue but its small by comparison, blown out of proportion by those that want to divide the country. Get the basics right and the rest can fall into place. Whatever policy any party puts forward will be shot down by those unable to look at a bigger picture. We all want change but none of us will spell out what it is and what we have to do to achieve it. Errr? All of these 'Wealth health and security' are in some way affected by this 'immigration'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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