Farage

[oowee]

2 hours ago, Mungler said:

What’s funny is the re-writing of history that prior to 8 years ago we all got on with our European chums like a house on fire and EU was some milk and honey nirvana 😆

It was of course constant strife and the UK being striped up left right and centre which is why they couldn’t meet us anywhere half way or do anything to ameliorate against departure - I can remember all the eu threats and rhetoric. Who needs Putin propaganda?

If the right get a foothold in Germany and France, the EU is in big trouble - too many countries want more autonomy (particularly with borders and immigration) and with that, hopefully we’ll get back to a common economic community and stick the rest of the lefty nonsense in the bin.  

 

😁 I don't see common standards and decent trading policy that can influence world trade to be lefty nonsense. Its common sense trade that works towards a level playing field, but I know what you mean. 

Key is to retain democracy. The US with the current supreme Court ruling has just lost it. Authoritarian right wing politics tends to move in that direction. Leave organisations that you cannot control, restrict freedom of speech, control the judiciary.

Orban leads and le Penn and Farage follow? I hope not but the play book is there. 

[Rewulf]

2 hours ago, oowee said:

Authoritarian left wing politics tends to move in that direction. Leave organisations that you cannot control, restrict freedom of speech, control the judiciary.

Fixed that for you.

[oowee]

9 hours ago, Rewulf said:

Fixed that for you.

Yep it works for either extreme of the political spectrum. In 2020 Putin signed presidential imunity law. In 2024 Trump pushes through presidential imunity law. Mad I agree but we can both see where this is going. 

[Rewulf]

2 minutes ago, oowee said:

In 2024 Trump pushes through presidential imunity law

I think you need to clarify what's happened here, because you seem to be a bit confused.

Trump didn't push it through, or create a new law, he wouldn't have had the authority, even if he was POTUS, which he's not.

The law ALREADY existed, all the supreme Court did was clarify what it actually meant , and what powers it gave, the only one saying it allowed a political rival to be killed , was a hysterical dem judge, and even then there are strict conditions.

Once again this piece of news gets weaponised, twisted into lies, and used in MSM to turn Trump into a despot, its pathetic.

[Zoli 12 guage]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

Yep it works for either extreme of the political spectrum. In 2020 Putin signed presidential imunity law. In 2024 Trump pushes through presidential imunity law. Mad I agree but we can both see where this is going. 

is Trump the "Fuhrer" of the US already😮

i wasn't aware of that fact or the other FACT that he has the power to overturn and push through laws at will.🥱🥱

[old man]

50 minutes ago, Zoli 12 guage said:

is Trump the "Fuhrer" of the US already😮

i wasn't aware of that fact or the other FACT that he has the power to overturn and push through laws at will.🥱🥱

Maybe not dissimilar to this mob here? 

If they can't fix it for themselves a matey lawyer will?

 

[oowee]

2 hours ago, Rewulf said:

I think you need to clarify what's happened here, because you seem to be a bit confused.

Trump didn't push it through, or create a new law, he wouldn't have had the authority, even if he was POTUS, which he's not.

The law ALREADY existed, all the supreme Court did was clarify what it actually meant , and what powers it gave, the only one saying it allowed a political rival to be killed , was a hysterical dem judge, and even then there are strict conditions.

Once again this piece of news gets weaponised, twisted into lies, and used in MSM to turn Trump into a despot, its pathetic.

👍 of course it did. 🤣 

1 hour ago, Zoli 12 guage said:

is Trump the "Fuhrer" of the US already😮

i wasn't aware of that fact or the other FACT that he has the power to overturn and push through laws at will.🥱🥱

Have a look at who is on the payroll. 

[Stonepark]

2 minutes ago, oowee said:

👍 of course it did. 🤣 

Have a look at who is on the payroll. 

So, if presidents or prime ministers are not immune for their legal actions when in power, when are you going to put Tony Blair up against the wall for Iraq?

When are you going to put Obama up against a wall for Libya?

 

 

[Zoli 12 guage]

10 minutes ago, oowee said:

👍 of course it did. 🤣 

Have a look at who is on the payroll. 

who is🤷‍♀️

 

4 minutes ago, Stonepark said:

So, if presidents or prime ministers are not immune for their legal actions when in power, when are you going to put Tony Blair up against the wall for Iraq?

When are you going to put Obama up against a wall for Libya?

 

 

you missed "DUBYA" off the list👍

[ditchman]

10 minutes ago, Zoli 12 guage said:

who is🤷‍♀️

 

you missed "DUBYA" off the list👍

Tony Blairs "handler"

[Rewulf]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

👍 of course it did. 🤣 

Lets break this down, you said..

 

4 hours ago, oowee said:

Trump pushes through presidential imunity law.

But he didnt , and cant, a sitting president cant make new laws, and 'push them through' so a presidential nominee who has no powers whatsoever certainly cant, and there are very few countries in the world who do allow this sort of behaviour.
So your statement clearly isnt true.

Show me one credible website or media outlet that says Trump made this 'new' law.
You cant because it didnt happen.
The presidential immunity laws are written into the first iterations of the constitution.

In its 1867 decision Mississippi v. Johnson, the Supreme Court established that the President is largely beyond the reach of the judiciary by holding that it could not direct President Andrew Johnson in how he exercised his purely executive and political powers.¹ The Court stated, it had no jurisdiction . . . to enjoin the President in the performance of his official duties.²

^{Its clear, and has been made more clear this week , that immunity only comes from acts committed during official duties.}

^{This is NOT a get out of jail free card, and DOES NOT give the sitting president 'super powers' to do whatever he/she wants.
CNN in its frenzy however would have you believe different.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/01/politics/presidents-immunity-supreme-court-what-matters/index.html}

^{But its own article confirms what my analysis says.}

[Rewulf]

Anyway, back on track.
 Sky News has reported that senior conservatives are 'gravely concerned' that 5 , yes a whole 5 Facebook groups are supporting Reform UK, and are believed to be Russia 'bots'

https://news.sky.com/story/gravely-concerning-claims-of-russian-interference-in-general-election-to-spread-support-for-farages-reform-13161235

[oowee]

1 hour ago, Rewulf said:

Anyway, back on track.
 Sky News has reported that senior conservatives are 'gravely concerned' that 5 , yes a whole 5 Facebook groups are supporting Reform UK, and are believed to be Russia 'bots'

https://news.sky.com/story/gravely-concerning-claims-of-russian-interference-in-general-election-to-spread-support-for-farages-reform-13161235

Does not surprise me at all. We are effectively at war with Russia even if some don't recognise it. Appeasers like Trump and Farage play straight into his hands. 

[welsh1]

16 minutes ago, oowee said:

Does not surprise me at all. We are effectively at war with Russia even if some don't recognise it. Appeasers like Trump and Farage play straight into his hands. 

Those russians must be everywhere because there are dozens of facebook sites supporting  both labour and the tories.

And lets face it the two parties that cause the biggest rift in people are labour and the tories, with their constant sniping and derogatory remarks and hatered of each other you would almost think that there was some sort of external government whipping up the nastiness that splits the country

[Gordon R]

welsh1 - I think you are onto something. 

Tories do well - blame Russia.

Farage does well - blame Russia.

Trump does well - blame Russia.

Labour do well - no interference whatsoever from Russia. 🙂 

[Rewulf]

24 minutes ago, oowee said:

We are effectively at war with Russia even if some don't recognise it.

To what end are we at war ? Whats in it for the west ?
Trying to neuter Russia hasnt created peace or prosperity, hasnt strengthened our security, its made us less secure, poorer for it, and in many ways strengthened Russia, China and Iran.
If the strategy was to weaken our enemies , it hasnt worked very well has it ?

 

5 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

Appeasers like Trump and Farage play straight into his hands. 

Farage states factually that if Ukraine hadnt made moves to join NATO , Putin wouldnt have invaded.

Trump has stated that  Ukraine wouldnt have happened under his watch, and he will make it stop ASAP.
Look at the backlash that has caused in 'certain circles'
MIC corporates terrified the money tree is going to die, dems who have stocks in weapons manufacture clutching at their pearls.

[oowee]

2 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

To what end are we at war ? Whats in it for the west ?
Trying to neuter Russia hasnt created peace or prosperity, hasnt strengthened our security, its made us less secure, poorer for it, and in many ways strengthened Russia, China and Iran.
If the strategy was to weaken our enemies , it hasnt worked very well has it ?

 

Farage states factually that if Ukraine hadnt made moves to join NATO , Putin wouldnt have invaded.

Trump has stated that  Ukraine wouldnt have happened under his watch, and he will make it stop ASAP.
Look at the backlash that has caused in 'certain circles'
MIC corporates terrified the money tree is going to die, dems who have stocks in weapons manufacture clutching at their pearls.

Wow.

That's total tosh. If Ukraine wants to join NATO it's a matter for Ukraine and NATO. The war is nothing to do with NATO. Trump and Farage are simply Putin apologists. 

What's in it for the west? Preservation of freedoms and our way of life. 

Killing UK citizens. Poisoning UK residents with nerve agent. Arson attacks. Attacks on IT networks. Interference in Politics. Its all part of the Putin playback. 

If Ukraine falls then so does Taiwan. 

[oowee]

27 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

Those russians must be everywhere because there are dozens of facebook sites supporting  both labour and the tories.

And lets face it the two parties that cause the biggest rift in people are labour and the tories, with their constant sniping and derogatory remarks and hatered of each other you would almost think that there was some sort of external government whipping up the nastiness that splits the country

Dozens of Facebook sites maybe. With Russia we have a whole industry of bots. The parties may make remarks about each other but much of the electorate is more reserved in its judgement. Many have to be as they continually review voting position moving between parties. Its only those with a dogmatic approach to decision making that are unable to evaluate different propositions. 

The parties today are not what they were 5 years ago. They are not what they were 20 years ago. 

[Rewulf]

12 minutes ago, oowee said:

That's total tosh. If Ukraine wants to join NATO it's a matter for Ukraine and NATO. The war is nothing to do with NATO. Trump and Farage are simply Putin apologists. 

So if Mexico or Canada wanted to join a Russia/China military pact, it would be no issue for the US ?
And if the war is nothing to do with NATO, why are we feeding money , arms and intelligence into it ?
I dont see anyone apologising for it, I see people wanting it to stop, to get us out of the mess we have created.

16 minutes ago, oowee said:

If Ukraine falls then so does Taiwan. 

Taiwan is undefendable, if China wants it , its going to take it, unless you prefer WW3 ?

 

[enfieldspares]

Supposedly REFORM are using dead people to show voters switching to them from Conservative and Labour? Problem is it is hard to now know what is true and what is "false flag" posting.

 

[Rewulf]

31 minutes ago, enfieldspares said:

Problem is it is hard to now know what is true and what is "false flag" posting.

I think you already know the answer to that ?
The labs and cons must be absolutely terrified of Reform getting maybe 10 seats if theyre lucky 

[Rewulf]

Anyone leaving the country when labour win tomorrow ? 

[johnphilip]

18 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Anyone leaving the country when labour win tomorrow ? 

Hopefully they get in , in scotland and get rid of the SNP 😀

Edited July 3, 2024 by johnphilip
Miss spelt

[marsh man]

15 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Anyone leaving the country when labour win tomorrow ? 

I was going to put a £5 bet on Labour to win but I was a bit worried in case they thought I had inside information so I backed away in case my s g c was at risk 

[ditchman]

Anyone wants a guess at how Farage/reform will do ......or will it be all squit again