Manchester airport police kick

[Mungler]

2 minutes ago, Zoli 12 guage said:

it seems to me that the race card and using violence can be wheeled out at every opportunity if you're a member of a couple of certain demographics.

‘Cop takes a beating from utter scumbags, then understandably loses rag and is now in hot water. Utter scumbags immediately play race card and go on the grift looking for free tax payer money’.

Not that exciting without the video and the video being edited and released in stages.

The kicking incident whilst regrettable is entirely understandable in the totality of circumstances to the extent I don’t think anyone will consider the police service to be falling apart or the incident showing any wider or deeper problems with policing (save the reminder that a 6’ 2” male police officer is demonstrably going to be more useful when push comes to shove, than a 5’ 2” female police officer).

However, if we want to consider wider and deeper problems, look at the response to this incident; the police station protests, the ‘community’ outcry, the immediate religious and racial drum banging. It’s not just that it’s happened - it’s that it’s happened so easily and so quickly showing us what the new default entitled / offended position is and how comfortable people are with resorting to it at the drop of any hat. 

[Mice!]

11 minutes ago, Westley said:

think it is called 'equal opportunities' 

I don't doubt that mate, but those two WPCs go down very easily and they weren't hit from behind, they new what was happening,  one might have used her taser, the other is just fumbling for something??

11 minutes ago, Westley said:

can remember when Police Women had their own sections. They never worked nights and dealt mainly with Women and Children.

And they were/are probably a lot better in this role than a bloke would be.

Going back to the good old days when Sunday drinking was 12-3 then 7-10pm I remember shielding a WPC when the crowd on the street surged and she was facing the wrong way, I wouldn't have done it with a bloke, we just automatically look out for Women, or at least we should 🤷‍♂️

25 minutes ago, Zoli 12 guage said:

maybe the cops should have just shot 'em 🤔🤔

Not a chance given where people were.

[Gordon R]

Mungler - an excellent post, which sadly sums up the country we live in.

[steve1066]

13 minutes ago, Mungler said:

‘Cop takes a beating from utter scumbags, then understandably loses rag and is now in hot water. Utter scumbags immediately play race card and go on the grift looking for free tax payer money’.

Not that exciting without the video and the video being edited and released in stages.

The kicking incident whilst regrettable is entirely understandable in the totality of circumstances to the extent I don’t think anyone will consider the police service to be falling apart or the incident showing any wider or deeper problems with policing (save the reminder that a 6’ 2” male police officer is demonstrably going to be more useful when push comes to shove, than a 5’ 2” female police officer).

However, if we want to consider wider and deeper problems, look at the response to this incident; the police station protests, the ‘community’ outcry, the immediate religious and racial drum banging. It’s not just that it’s happened - it’s that it’s happened so easily and so quickly showing us what the new default entitled / offended position is and how comfortable people are with resorting to it at the drop of any hat. 

Absolutely spot on Mungler

[Raja Clavata]

17 minutes ago, Mungler said:

However, if we want to consider wider and deeper problems, look at the response to this incident; the police station protests, the ‘community’ outcry, the immediate religious and racial drum banging. It’s not just that it’s happened - it’s that it’s happened so easily and so quickly showing us what the new default entitled / offended position is and how comfortable people are with resorting to it at the drop of any hat. 

100% 

[JKD]

2 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

At least it appears we all agree the perps are total scumbags, that’s something.

They need to be prosecuted, which I trust will be the case.

The kicking/stamping copper ain’t getting away with it either, confident as a minimum he’ll never legally touch a firearm again.

Agree 👍

 

2 hours ago, Newbie to this said:

You are probably right, my opinion is probably wrong, he probably shouldn't answer for the pistol whipping either 

If you wear the uniform, you are totally responsible for your actions,,,, isn't that how it works ? 🤷‍♂️😆

[JKD]

1 hour ago, Mungler said:

‘Cop takes a beating from utter scumbags, then understandably loses rag and is now in hot water. Utter scumbags immediately play race card and go on the grift looking for free tax payer money’.

Not that exciting without the video and the video being edited and released in stages.

The kicking incident whilst regrettable is entirely understandable in the totality of circumstances to the extent I don’t think anyone will consider the police service to be falling apart or the incident showing any wider or deeper problems with policing (save the reminder that a 6’ 2” male police officer is demonstrably going to be more useful when push comes to shove, than a 5’ 2” female police officer).

However, if we want to consider wider and deeper problems, look at the response to this incident; the police station protests, the ‘community’ outcry, the immediate religious and racial drum banging. It’s not just that it’s happened - it’s that it’s happened so easily and so quickly showing us what the new default entitled / offended position is and how comfortable people are with resorting to it at the drop of any hat. 

Another 👍

[Newbie to this]

17 minutes ago, JKD said:

If you wear the uniform, you are totally responsible for your actions,,,, isn't that how it works ? 🤷‍♂️

Although I tend to agree.

Are the scumbags attacking the police not responsible for their actions, uniform or not!

Are they not equally responsible for the resulting actions of the police response to their violent actions.

There is only so much restraint a human being can show, when faced with such violence.

I know you are not trying to defend the perpetrators of the initial violence, mearly pointing out that the copper overstepped, which under normal circumstances, would be true. But we do not know what was going through his head at that exact moment in time. He had just faced a sustained attack from at least 2 assailants, posible 3 (not sure if the mother got some punches in), and his backup was nonexistent. Maybe he used all that was in the tank defending the first onslaught, and fearing for his safety, thought it better to incapacitate 1 of the assailants while the opportunity arose, so he only had to deal with 1 person, if a second onslaught ensued.

I would not have liked to have been in his shoes, and I'd expect under normal circumstances, he would not kick and stamp on people's heads.

He gets my benefit of the doubt, and my support.

Edited July 28 by Newbie to this

[JKD]

1 minute ago, Newbie to this said:

I would not have liked to have been in his shoes, and I'd expect under normal circumstances, he would not kick and stamp on people's heads.

He gets my benefit of the doubt, and my support.

Me neither, but I'd like to think that he wouldn't kick and stamp in any circumstances.

[old'un]

I see the demonstrators have pulled the old ‘black lives matter’ cards out, I thought it was Asians involved in this attack on the police?

Perhaps they feel it gets more attention if they call them selves Black, rather than Asian.

[old man]

There can be no excuses for the kicking etc.

The country deserves better if only to differentiate between officialdom and malcontents? The police should only have used officially issued protections, they are the rules or the next stop is unthinkable?

Tough bosoms sadly?

[armsid]

And if it happened at a French or Itallian airport what would the police have done?

[Rem260]

1 hour ago, JKD said:

Me neither, but I'd like to think that he wouldn't kick and stamp in any circumstances.

Maybe having just been pummelled mercessly about the head by a large assailant he wasn’t quite thinking properly?

Blows to the head can disorient and cause you to do things that you wouldn't normally do.

How many times is temporary loss of mental capacity/reasoning used and accepted as a defense in court.

 

Edited July 28 by Rem260

[London Best]

2 minutes ago, armsid said:

And if it happened at a French or Itallian airport what would the police have done?

They would certainly have been shot dead at an American airport.

[Zoli 12 guage]

2 minutes ago, London Best said:

They would certainly have been shot dead at an American airport.

yep 👍 

shame it wasn't JFK

[JKD]

4 minutes ago, Rem260 said:

Maybe having just been pummelled mercessly about the head by a large assailant he wasn’t quite thinking properly?

Blows to the head can disorient and cause you to do things that you wouldn't normally do.

He didn't look disoriented to me while he kicked, stamped and landed on the guys back with his knee 🤷‍♂️

4 minutes ago, Rem260 said:

 

How many times is temporary loss of mental capacity/reasoning used and accepted as a defense in court.

 

I haven't got a clue, have you ?

[old'un]

1 minute ago, JKD said:

He didn't look disoriented to me while he kicked, stamped and landed on the guys back with his knee 🤷‍♂️

I haven't got a clue, have you ?

What does someone look like when they have been beaten about the head, I would think its a mental state, not their outwardly physical appearance.

[Rem260]

17 minutes ago, JKD said:

He didn't look disoriented to me while he kicked, stamped and landed on the guys back with his knee 🤷‍♂️

I haven't got a clue, have you ?

Quite a lot.

[JKD]

3 minutes ago, old'un said:

What does someone look like when they have been beaten about the head, I would think its a mental state, not their outwardly physical appearance.

When I was assaulted [beaten about the head, from behind 😠] a few years ago, I stepped away slightly to avoid any more punches,,,, but I'm not/wasn't a PC acting on official business 

I meant he looked totally in control [not wobbling/staggering about],,,, while being out of control 🤷‍♂️

3 minutes ago, Rem260 said:

Quite a lot.

Please give us the figures 🙏

[Rem260]

28 minutes ago, JKD said:

When I was assaulted [beaten about the head, from behind 😠] a few years ago, I stepped away slightly to avoid any more punches,,,, but I'm not/wasn't a PC acting on official business 

I meant he looked totally in control [not wobbling/staggering about],,,, while being out of control 🤷‍♂️

Please give us the figures 🙏

Walking away wasn't an option for the PC was it.

There are many cases where victims of domestic abuse/bullying suddenly snap and lash out or even kill their abusers and the courts accept momentary loss of control as a defence. Or cases of mistaken belief which when looked at in the cold light of day would seem to be incorrect. Which falls under the term "Men's Rea."

Edited July 28 by Rem260

[yickdaz]

Seeing what happened before does put it in a different light and they got what   they deserved but its still not a good look 

[JKD]

8 minutes ago, Rem260 said:

Walking away wasn't an option for the PC was it.

There are many cases where victims of domestic abuse/bullying suddenly snap and lash out or even kill their abusers and the courts accept momentary loss of control as a defence. Or cases of mistaken belief which when looked at in the cold light of day would seem to be incorrect. Which falls under the term "Men's Rea."

Kicking and stamping on someone's head shouldn't have been an option for the PC should it ?

This wasn't domestic abuse/bullying though was it ?

[Rem260]

10 minutes ago, JKD said:

Kicking and stamping on someone's head shouldn't have been an option for the PC should it ?

This wasn't domestic abuse/bullying though was it ?

No but it was a sustained violent assault on 3 police officers!!!

Edited July 28 by Rem260

[JKD]

1 minute ago, Rem260 said:

No but it was a sustained violent assault on 3 police officers!!!

Can't get anything past you eh ?!

[Raja Clavata]

1 hour ago, Newbie to this said:

He gets my benefit of the doubt, and my support.

I find this a really strange comment.

Anyway, other potential considerations…

Is the original news story, news worthy? - Definitely in my opinion.

Would it have been reported in MSM if the perps were white, irrespective of their religious belief? - I believe so.

Would Tousi TV have “reported” it if the perps were white, irrespective of their religious beliefs? - I doubt it very much.

Would the kerfuffle with the lawyer, family, friends, supporters have occurred if the perps were white? - almost certainly not.

The point Mungler made earlier is for me the key topic. Regardless of race, religion, sexuality, dietary preferences or whatever, this kind of culture of amplified outrage, protest etc. needs to be cancelled.

Ultimately a court will most likely decide if the kung foo coppers behaviour was criminal/justifiable. 

On a slightly lighter note, I have to confess when I saw the picture of the female policewoman, with symmetric black eyes, I did wonder if she was taken away in a panda car, does that make me a bad person?