So our Country is broke

[Rewulf]

16 minutes ago, oowee said:

Labour introduced the winter fuel allowance and now they have removed it from all but the most needy.

Its a pity they didnt put that in their manifesto ?

 

17 minutes ago, oowee said:

We cannot continue the money tree policy of the Tories.

Thats funny, labour invented it in the first place !

 

18 minutes ago, oowee said:

Everything has to be paid for. 

Even funnier ! We spend over 4 billion a year on illegal migrants, labour wants to start a program of amnesty, where they will cost even more.
Around 50k EACH  a year on people who shouldnt even be here, but lets nick a few hundred quid a year off pensioners instead...

Priorities, something labour has never been very good at.

One month, weve got riots on the streets , uncontrolled immigration about to get far worse, chaotic fiscal and environmental policy and the threat of austerity.
I keep saying theyll be gone in 5 years, Im not sure theyll last anything like that.

[oowee]

31 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Its a pity they didnt put that in their manifesto ?

 

Thats funny, labour invented it in the first place !

 

Even funnier ! We spend over 4 billion a year on illegal migrants, labour wants to start a program of amnesty, where they will cost even more.
Around 50k EACH  a year on people who shouldnt even be here, but lets nick a few hundred quid a year off pensioners instead...

Priorities, something labour has never been very good at.

One month, weve got riots on the streets , uncontrolled immigration about to get far worse, chaotic fiscal and environmental policy and the threat of austerity.
I keep saying theyll be gone in 5 years, Im not sure theyll last anything like that.

🤣 Don't tell me you miss Sunak and his misfits? 

Yep lucky we got rid of the Tories. We have a chance to sort out the mess, maybe a slim chance given the scale of the problems but a chance non the less. 

A great start so far getting new solar farms underway and laying the foundations of much of the legislation the Tories only dreamed of. Starting to get a grip of the finances, curtailing a plethora of barmy unfunded projects. 

Their feet are barely under the table and they may have already achieved more  than the past administration achieved in 5 years? I know its a shock for many but things are happening. 

Edited July 31 by oowee

[Rewulf]

5 minutes ago, oowee said:

🤣 Don't tell me you miss Sunak and his misfits? 

One month Grant , and look at the state of the place !
Right now, yes I do miss the tories.

 

6 minutes ago, oowee said:

We have a chance to sort out the mess, maybe a slim chance given the scale of the problems but a chance non the less. 

Blame the tories when theyre in, blame them when theyre out, standard left wing operating procedure.
The excuses started before they even got in, and youre gonna be hearing a lot more of them.
A shambles, already.

 

8 minutes ago, oowee said:

A great start so far getting new solar farms underway

That will be a great comfort to err, no one except Milliband 
What an achievement !

 

9 minutes ago, oowee said:

Their feet are barely under the table and they may have already achieved more  than the past administration achieved in 5 years? I know its a shock for many but things are happening.

Theyve achieved so much , we have race riots, pensioners being robbed, more illegals coming, things are happening all right....
Nothing good to report so far...
Ooh look new solar farms planned, and weve given in to the unions pay demands quick time, awesome !

[Mice!]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

We cannot continue the money tree policy of the Tories. Everything has to be paid for. 

That's quite comical,  especially given Labour's history of opening the door and welcoming anyone in .

I wouldn't be giving anyone arriving in our country anything,  regardless of how or why they came here, we need to end the soft touch that we've become,  not treating them better than pensioners who have lived here and paid into the system their whole lives.

 

57 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Even funnier ! We spend over 4 billion a year on illegal migrants, labour wants to start a program of amnesty, where they will cost even more.
Around 50k EACH  a year on people who shouldnt even be here, but lets nick a few hundred quid a year off pensioners instead...

Priorities, something labour has never been very good at.

One month, weve got riots on the streets , uncontrolled immigration about to get far worse, chaotic fiscal and environmental policy and the threat of austerity.
I keep saying theyll be gone in 5 years, Im not sure theyll last anything like that.

Ha ha, I'd not got to this page, well said.

[B686]

Loads of Solar farms were already being built before labour. They are going to have to build lots of nice new houses for all their asylum seeker friends they are letting in . Probably get priority over our own people. Might be lots of pensioners houses empty for them though if we have a really cold winter.

Edited July 31 by B686

[oowee]

oooohhh I can see their are a few upset that things are moving again. It's exciting times I agree but don't get too worked up its a very limited budget. 

'Change' we all wanted it and now it's starting to happen. I know for some change can be unsettling particularly after so long with the country going backwards. Change will take time and many of us want it to happen quicker but slow and steady is the reality of life. 

 

[Gordon R]

I was amused that Cooper was boasting about first removals from the UK and smashing a people smuggling gang, after a few weeks of Labour. 

Given that she took the credit for it, we can look forward to more deportations and another gang smashed every week. 

The groundwork must have been done before they won the election, but she couldn't help herself.

[amateur]

41 minutes ago, oowee said:

'Change' we all wanted it and now it's starting to happen. I know for some change can be unsettling particularly after so long with the country going backwards. Change will take time and many of us want it to happen quicker but slow and steady is the reality of life. 

 

In your dreams.

Anybody remember that fraud Harold Wilson's promises of the "White heat of Technology", interspersed with cries of "14 years of Tory misrule and mismanagement".

Same old Labour bs being repeated.

Taxes will increase, the unions will be paid off, the NHS and Civil Service will continue to be bloated, wasteful and inefficient.

Regrettably, the Conservatives can't find another Maggie.

[oowee]

5 minutes ago, amateur said:

In your dreams.

Anybody remember that fraud Harold Wilson's promises of the "White heat of Technology", interspersed with cries of "14 years of Tory misrule and mismanagement".

Same old Labour bs being repeated.

Taxes will increase, the unions will be paid off, the NHS and Civil Service will continue to be bloated, wasteful and inefficient.

Regrettably, the Conservatives can't find another Maggie.

😁 We want taxes to increase. it's all about where and what. We want those earning six and seven figure incomes to be paying at least the same tax as those earning £20k. We want money to pay for our services. We want better services. We want those 10% of households that have half of the wealth to put some back into the pot for those that don't. We want those paying £20k a term for schooling to pay vat rather than have their payments subsidised. 

 

 

 

[amateur]

2 minutes ago, oowee said:

😁 We want taxes to increase. it's all about where and what. We want those earning six and seven figure incomes to be paying at least the same tax as those earning £20k. We want money to pay for our services. We want better services. We want those 10% of households that have half of the wealth to put some back into the pot for those that don't. We want those paying £20k a term for schooling to pay vat rather than have their payments subsidised. 

 

 

 

Yup, same old socialist bs.

In practice the only ones to pay more taxes will be the usual middle income grafters.

[Old farrier]

3 minutes ago, oowee said:

😁 We want taxes to increase. it's all about where and what. We want those earning six and seven figure incomes to be paying at least the same tax as those earning £20k. We want money to pay for our services. We want better services. We want those 10% of households that have half of the wealth to put some back into the pot for those that don't. We want those paying £20k a term for schooling to pay vat rather than have their payments subsidised. 

 

 

 

So you want a child to pay tax on education?

even though they are taking the pressure off the state schools 

I know you will say that the rich parents will pay but not in every case 

then when they use that education to get a job they will be paying taxes on there income 

statistically less children who have to private school education go onto benefits 

[oowee]

10 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

So you want a child to pay tax on education?

even though they are taking the pressure off the state schools 

I know you will say that the rich parents will pay but not in every case 

then when they use that education to get a job they will be paying taxes on there income 

statistically less children who have to private school education go onto benefits 

I don't want to subsidise it as we are now. 

[Weihrauch17]

2 hours ago, Rewulf said:

One month Grant , and look at the state of the place !
Right now, yes I do miss the tories.

 

Blame the tories when theyre in, blame them when theyre out, standard left wing operating procedure.
The excuses started before they even got in, and youre gonna be hearing a lot more of them.
A shambles, already.

 

That will be a great comfort to err, no one except Milliband 
What an achievement !

 

Theyve achieved so much , we have race riots, pensioners being robbed, more illegals coming, things are happening all right....
Nothing good to report so far...
Ooh look new solar farms planned, and weve given in to the unions pay demands quick time, awesome !

You forgot Prisoners being released well before their time, I knew Labour would be bad but they are shockingly bad.  How anyone with a brain can celebrate a Solar Farm in our climate is way beyond me.

[Wymondley]

2 hours ago, oowee said:

A great start so far getting new solar farms underway

https://www.thecomet.net/news/24179598.great-wymondley-solar-farm-approved-government-ministers/

The last lot were already pushing this blight on the landscape on us... Despite no one round here wanting it.

I'm sure it'll give the new lot the excuse to surround it with new housing since the area will already be ruined.

 

52 minutes ago, amateur said:

In practice the only ones to pay more taxes will be the usual middle income grafters.

That's always been the case no matter who gets in.

[Weihrauch17]

34 minutes ago, oowee said:

I don't want to subsidise it as we are now. 

You are not they are saving the state the cost of an education at a state school.  They should be applauded but now many will go into state schools where there are no spare places, genius!

[armsid]

We need to weed out the scroungers who are fit to work but won.t because welfare gives them more than they could earn in work or raise wages to make it worthwhile going to work Stop giving money to countries that do not need it Create jobs for this country instead of importing goods made abroad stop giving in to the greedy unions as prices will rise to pay for it and noone will be able to afford anything

[Old farrier]

35 minutes ago, oowee said:

I don't want to subsidise it as we are now. 

But your happy to subsidise a massively reduced education for talented child that geographically has to go to a failing state school 

there is in the state schooling system plenty of help for kids with all manner of problems and difficulties absolutely loads for any kid with a labelled medical problem one on one tuition etcetera 

try getting help for a gifted and talented student without having to pay for it 

[oowee]

4 minutes ago, Old farrier said:

But your happy to subsidise a massively reduced education for talented child that geographically has to go to a failing state school 

there is in the state schooling system plenty of help for kids with all manner of problems and difficulties absolutely loads for any kid with a labelled medical problem one on one tuition etcetera 

try getting help for a gifted and talented student without having to pay for it 

Not sure what you mean by the first part of your post. 

There is not ample support for kids with difficulties. Far from it, with many just main streamed and support withdrawn. 

Lets get the state system levelled up. There should be support for g&t there should be help through uni for those that need it. We should be subsidising education in core subjects that add value to the UK economy. All children should have a chance through education. 

 

 

[JohnfromUK]

Country is not so broke that some can't still extract plenty from it.  This apparently relates to our chancellor, who is always on about 'fairness' and thinks if a couple have £333 a week, the winter fuel payment can be taken from them.  Not fact checked, but no reason to doubt it;

Rachel Reeves and her husband (senior civil servant) get a total yearly salary of £370,000 plus a notional contribution to their gold plated pensions of £96,200 = £462,000.00 per annum. A pensioner couple with total pensions of £333 per week = £17,316 per year (when the average wage for a couple in the UK is now just North of £60,000) have just lost a minimum of £200 winter fuel allowance. Hands up who thinks that’s fair. (Oh, and she claimed £214,000 expenses last year)

[scolopax]

1 hour ago, oowee said:

😁 We want taxes to increase. it's all about where and what. We want those earning six and seven figure incomes to be paying at least the same tax as those earning £20k. We want money to pay for our services. We want better services. We want those 10% of households that have half of the wealth to put some back into the pot for those that don't. We want those paying £20k a term for schooling to pay vat rather than have their payments subsidised. 

 

 

 

Do we ********.  Speak for yourself. 

[oowee]

47 minutes ago, Weihrauch17 said:

You forgot Prisoners being released well before their time, I knew Labour would be bad but they are shockingly bad.  How anyone with a brain can celebrate a Solar Farm in our climate is way beyond me.

Damn capitalism 🤣

12 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

Country is not so broke that some can't still extract plenty from it.  This apparently relates to our chancellor, who is always on about 'fairness' and thinks if a couple have £333 a week, the winter fuel payment can be taken from them.  Not fact checked, but no reason to doubt it;

Rachel Reeves and her husband (senior civil servant) get a total yearly salary of £370,000 plus a notional contribution to their gold plated pensions of £96,200 = £462,000.00 per annum. A pensioner couple with total pensions of £333 per week = £17,316 per year (when the average wage for a couple in the UK is now just North of £60,000) have just lost a minimum of £200 winter fuel allowance. Hands up who thinks that’s fair. (Oh, and she claimed £214,000 expenses last year)

No idea on this but if benefits must be at a level of need not want. 

1 minute ago, scolopax said:

Do we ********.  Speak for yourself. 

You would rather pay your taxes to subsidise the rich that can avoid tax? 

You would rather the less wealthy pay more in tax than those that can afford to pay more? 

[scolopax]

3 minutes ago, oowee said:

Damn capitalism 🤣

No idea on this but if benefits must be at a level of need not want. 

You would rather pay your taxes to subsidise the rich that can avoid tax? 

You would rather the less wealthy pay more in tax than those that can afford to pay more? 

No I don’t, it is not about what folk can afford to pay but about what is right, anything else is just state appropriation I.e theft.

 

[Wymondley]

24 minutes ago, oowee said:

Lets get the state system levelled up

Labour will want to level it down, socialism, can't let anyone have an advantage.

26 minutes ago, oowee said:

All children should have a chance through education.

Yes they should, but some children are being held back because in certain areas a significant number of children are starting school with little grasp of the English language.

I'm told this by a friend that actually works in a school, not in some inner city but a town in mid Hertfordshire.

[oowee]

1 minute ago, scolopax said:

No I don’t, it is not about what folk can afford to pay but about what is right, anything else is just state appropriation I.e theft.

 

It makes no sense to me that people I know earning around £400k pa pay around 15% tax. Call it what you like but to me that is wrong. 

Just now, Wymondley said:

Labour will want to level it down, socialism, can't let anyone have an advantage.

Yes they should, but some children are being held back because in certain areas a significant number of children are starting school with little grasp of the English language.

I'm told this by a friend that actually works in a school, not in some inner city but a town in mid Hertfordshire.

It does not stop at language. Many children turn up unfed, unable to use the bathroom alone, unable to speak. 

[12gauge82]

3 hours ago, oowee said:

🤣 Don't tell me you miss Sunak and his misfits? 

Yep lucky we got rid of the Tories. We have a chance to sort out the mess, maybe a slim chance given the scale of the problems but a chance non the less. 

A great start so far getting new solar farms underway and laying the foundations of much of the legislation the Tories only dreamed of. Starting to get a grip of the finances, curtailing a plethora of barmy unfunded projects. 

Their feet are barely under the table and they may have already achieved more  than the past administration achieved in 5 years? I know its a shock for many but things are happening. 

I don't miss Sunak one bit and despite the fact I didn't vote for Labour, they've promised they can sort the mess this country is in. I'm going to give them a chance to do so, Rome was not built in a day! If they fail, they're going to get punished at the ballot box.