Terrible news again

[Mice!]

2 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

I get what you are saying but were you able to ascertain the immigration status of all the scumbags in that video, I wasn't? 

For sure, Southend is rife with our "cousins" from Albania (amongst others) - just last year I was on a jury that convicted one who had entered the country illegally and been forced into drug dealing (claiming to be a victim of modern day slavery, bless him). But you can't just assume...

Not a clue where they were from, but folk running around Southend waving swords and machetes around in Broad daylight is ridiculous,  I doubt they were born in the South,  or even in this country?

This is where the police for me need to be able to stamp on this behaviour, armed police should be arriving and shooting anyone brandishing a weapon,  maybe aim for legs, its happening far too often. 

[Pushandpull]

Southend. The papers report that one person was arrested at the scene. A further seven have been arrested and weapons seized.

Riots/Religion. The Gordon Riots in London were anti-Catholic. The army was called in and hundreds of people died. The eponymous Lord Gordon who was the prime mover was tried and acquitted I think.

[Mice!]

Shown on the 1pm news as well.

[Westley]

33 minutes ago, Mice! said:

Shown on the 1pm news as well.

There is some justice though    !

[Rewulf]

45 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

On the other, we also have a rising problem from the far right who will capitalise on the misfortune of what happened to those children by whipping up hatred and anger at totally innocent and unconnected Muslims. 

Absolutely, as far as Im aware , there is no Muslim connection at this point, but who , beside some rather misguided Tik Tokkers are saying there is ?
I agree that every riot that involves brown people isnt a riot about race or racists.
But also every riot that involves white people, isnt one lead by the far right.

The media would have you believe different however.

10 minutes ago, Westley said:

There is some justice though    !

Ive watched a very extensive and detailed video by an independent journo, with drone footage, and there were many incidents like the one above.
People 20 and 30 yards away throwing bricks and other missiles at the police, with said missiles falling far short and hitting the rioters at the front.
I expect there were probably more injuries caused this way than any other.
Utter stupidity.

[Westley]

6 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Absolutely, as far as Im aware , there is no Muslim connection at this point, but who , beside some rather misguided Tik Tokkers are saying there is ?
I agree that every riot that involves brown people isnt a riot about race or racists.
But also every riot that involves white people, isnt one lead by the far right.

The media would have you believe different however.

Ive watched a very extensive and detailed video by an independent journo, with drone footage, and there were many incidents like the one above.
People 20 and 30 yards away throwing bricks and other missiles at the police, with said missiles falling far short and hitting the rioters at the front.
I expect there were probably more injuries caused this way than any other.
Utter stupidity.

No doubt the Police will be blamed for standing too far back  !   🙄

I have watched this several times and can not stop laughing. Judging by his language and strong Scouse accent after the event, backed by his mate asking him if he is 'alright'. I have a feeling they are local.

Edited July 31 by Westley

[Rewulf]

1 minute ago, Westley said:

No doubt the Police will be blamed for standing too far back  ! 

The police were incredibly brave, restrained and professional.
It must have been a terrifying experience.
Ive still not heard why they were there , were they protecting some ones house ?

[Penelope]

Just now, Rewulf said:

The police were incredibly brave, restrained and professional.
It must have been a terrifying experience.
Ive still not heard why they were there , were they protecting some ones house ?

A mosque, by all accounts. There's one on the corner of the street, that looks to be a converted house.

[Rewulf]

Just now, Penelope said:

A mosque, by all accounts. There's one on the corner of the street, that looks to be a converted house.

Thanks.

Quite surprised there wasnt a counter protest to defend it, then it would have been far worse.

[Westley]

1 minute ago, Rewulf said:

Thanks.

Quite surprised there wasnt a counter protest to defend it, then it would have been far worse.

I didn't see our PM or any of his hangers on, rushing back to calm the situation either  !   🙄

[Penelope]

7 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

Thanks.

Quite surprised there wasnt a counter protest to defend it, then it would have been far worse.

I think that, that is what a significant number of those that turned up were probably hoping for.

I guess the other mob, unusually, thought it wise to keep their heads down, elsewise they'd have them removed, after all, it wasn't a teacher who had a classroom debate and showed a couple of pictures of Mo.

 

He's still in hiding by the way.

Edited July 31 by Penelope

[Raja Clavata]

2 hours ago, Mice! said:

Not a clue where they were from, but folk running around Southend waving swords and machetes around in Broad daylight is ridiculous,  I doubt they were born in the South,  or even in this country?

This is where the police for me need to be able to stamp on this behaviour, armed police should be arriving and shooting anyone brandishing a weapon,  maybe aim for legs, its happening far too often. 

No idea either but there's plenty home grown scrotes around there.

Opening fire in busy urban environments is what criminals do, not Essex Police.

BTW I suspect the "uniformed" people in the video were security guards from the arcades rather than Police (but I may well be wrong).

[oowee]

2 hours ago, Westley said:

There is some justice though    !

🤣

 

[Mice!]

2 hours ago, Westley said:

There is some justice though    !

I saw that yesterday and really had to laugh, utterly stupid,  about sums up the idiots. Darwen award??

1 hour ago, Raja Clavata said:

No idea either but there's plenty home grown scrotes around there.

Opening fire in busy urban environments is what criminals do, not Essex Police.

BTW I suspect the "uniformed" people in the video were security guards from the arcades rather than Police (but I may well be wrong).

Looked like lots of clear space, I wouldn't expect them to open fire with a risk of bystanders getting injured,  but these scrotes will expect the emergency services to arrive and give first aid.

Break the law putting lives at risk and there should be severe consequences.

2 hours ago, Westley said:

I didn't see our PM or any of his hangers on, rushing back to calm the situation either  !   🙄

Their coming up tomorrow to thank the police,  I'm sure they'll appreciate that 🙄🙄

[holloway]

4 hours ago, Wymondley said:

Is it?

If I said I wanted to kill people because they didn't believe in Father Christmas or the tooth fairy that's mentally ill,

but if it was some other imaginary being, it's religious hatred?

I'm struggling to see the difference.

 

Any belief system that allows itself to be twisted or interpreted to encourage harm to anyone should simply not be tolerated, and that's aimed at all religions.

Anyway, mindful of the ban on discussing religion I'll leave it at that.

I think perhaps an illness mental or otherwise can visit any of us at any time ,we would never go looking for it ,but yes i take your point to many there would be no difference.

The big thing for me would be to then protect the public from the individual in the future ,something we in this country seem to fail with.

[Raja Clavata]

20 minutes ago, Mice! said:

Looked like lots of clear space, I wouldn't expect them to open fire with a risk of bystanders getting injured,  but these scrotes will expect the emergency services to arrive and give first aid.

Break the law putting lives at risk and there should be severe consequences.

Like @PenelopeI know the exact spot well too, no same direction to shoot from, there weren't any armed Police there anyway but if there was they'd not have been shooting.

I would have thought tasers would have been adequate.

[Mice!]

19 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said:

would have thought tasers would have been adequate.

Adequate maybe, but these people are bringing extreme violence to our streets, so it should be met with the same level, they know at the moment that little will happen to them, they might do some jail time, but it'll not be much, and it's clearly not a deterrent. 

Getting shot and deported if there's anything at all iffy with why or how they're here might just be enough.

[Raja Clavata]

Again, you’re assuming they weren’t born here. Not to worry.

[Westley]

1 hour ago, Mice! said:

I saw that yesterday and really had to laugh, utterly stupid,  about sums up the idiots. Darwen award??

Looked like lots of clear space, I wouldn't expect them to open fire with a risk of bystanders getting injured,  but these scrotes will expect the emergency services to arrive and give first aid.

Break the law putting lives at risk and there should be severe consequences.

Their coming up tomorrow to thank the police,  I'm sure they'll appreciate that 🙄🙄

We had Whitelaw visit us over something or other, on one occasion. It was not long after some incident that he was involved in on a game shoot somewhere.  He moved on swiftly when I asked him about it   ?  😁

[old'un]

2 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

Like @PenelopeI know the exact spot well too, no same direction to shoot from, there weren't any armed Police there anyway but if there was they'd not have been shooting.

I would have thought tasers would have been adequate.

Unless it was a dog, then they would have let half a dozen rounds off.

[Mice!]

3 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

Again, you’re assuming they weren’t born here. Not to worry.

They probably weren't,  I'm not assuming it, I'm expecting it.

Regardless of where their from they want shooting if their going to be waving swords and machetes around, the police shouldn't be expected to risk tackling these people with tasers, they don't always work, a couple of 9mm rounds or some heavy shotgun shells should do the trick.

[Penelope]

13 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

Again, you’re assuming they weren’t born here. Not to worry.

The likelyhood is that are indigenous scum as opposed to imported.

 

6 arrests have been made.

9 hours ago, Mice! said:

They probably weren't,  I'm not assuming it, I'm expecting it.

Regardless of where their from they want shooting if their going to be waving swords and machetes around, the police shouldn't be expected to risk tackling these people with tasers, they don't always work, a couple of 9mm rounds or some heavy shotgun shells should do the trick.

Vermin control does have it's appeal.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

13 hours ago, Mice! said:

Adequate maybe, but these people are bringing extreme violence to our streets, so it should be met with the same level, they know at the moment that little will happen to them, they might do some jail time, but it'll not be much, and it's clearly not a deterrent. 

Getting shot and deported if there's anything at all iffy with why or how they're here might just be enough.

If they are born here, I would put good money on the fact that they have parents who weren't.

13 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

Again, you’re assuming they weren’t born here. Not to worry.

As my comment above.

22 minutes ago, Penelope said:

The likelyhood is that are indigenous scum as opposed to imported.

 

6 arrests have been made.

Vermin control does have it's appeal.

It certainly does, but will NEVER happen.

 

It now falls to the government, the courts and the top of the Police to make some serious changes about how they deal with this ever growing violence upon the person or persons. Perhaps a decent deterrent could be found?

 

We cannot allow this to continue. The rioting is wrong, but I for one can understand why it happens.

We will never get rid of the awful "social media" that leads this sort of thing to fruition.

 

Does anybody else hanker for the "good old days" before the introduction of the internet and mobile phones?

[ShootingEgg]

8 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

We cannot allow this to continue. The rioting is wrong, but I for one can understand why it happens.

We will never get rid of the awful "social media" that leads this sort of thing to fruition.

Yet the age of the offender means they get to be hidden from media , the little **** attacked and killed children, name him.. that could end the riots if it was shown in the media, but then it could escalate the **** out of it....

[old'un]

7 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

If they are born here, I would put good money on the fact that they have parents who weren't.

As my comment above.

It certainly does, but will NEVER happen.

 

It now falls to the government, the courts and the top of the Police to make some serious changes about how they deal with this ever growing violence upon the person or persons. Perhaps a decent deterrent could be found?

 

We cannot allow this to continue. The rioting is wrong, but I for one can understand why it happens.

We will never get rid of the awful "social media" that leads this sort of thing to fruition.

 

Does anybody else hanker for the "good old days" before the introduction of the internet and mobile phones?

The internet and mobile phones are not the problem but the platforms and some of the people who use them are….lets face it without the internet you would not be able to post your opinion for all to see.

But yes, I do know where you are coming from...re-”the good old days”