Penelope Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: We cannot allow this to continue. The rioting is wrong, but I for one can understand why it happens. The undercurrent of anger out there is palpable and I would not be surprised to see more. We will never get rid of the awful "social media" that leads this sort of thing to fruition. Does anybody else hanker for the "good old days" before the introduction of the internet and mobile phones? Oh, yes; but the flip side is you are able to find out stuff the powers that be would not make public. 54 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said: Yet the age of the offender means they get to be hidden from media , the little **** attacked and killed children, name him.. that could end the riots if it was shown in the media, but then it could escalate the **** out of it.... One wonders if there is a plan there; look how the attack on, and sad murders of the little girls has been slewed round to a critique of the 'far right' on the MSN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, Penelope said: One wonders if there is a plan there; look how the attack on, and sad murders of the little girls has been slewed round to a critique of the 'far right' on the MSN. Easy targets. They can criticise any 'white' demonstration, call it whatever they like, neo nazis, far right knuckle draggers ect No one will criticise the media for standing up to these 'thugs' even if its a peaceful demo with families. Now try that on a minority demo or march. Yesterday in London there was a mostly peaceful demonstration, until the police, in force this time and armoured up , decided to randomly start arresting bystanders, most of whom had nothing to do with the demo at all. A sec 14 was put in place, but no one knew about it, and the police didnt issue any warnings, they started arresting and handcuffing people at random who stepped onto the road, so everyone moved to the pavement, asked the police if this was OK , answered yes. THEN they changed their mind and started arresting them too, completely at random, men women, well over 100 people , kept for 3-4 hours , not charged with anything , then de arrested, witnesses report that the police did not agree with what they were doing but 'orders are orders' Some admitted they believed it was to deter further demos and marches. Biased, 2 tier policing, with a political agenda, and they wonder why there is so much anger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 24 minutes ago, Rewulf said: Easy targets. They can criticise any 'white' demonstration, call it whatever they like, neo nazis, far right knuckle draggers ect No one will criticise the media for standing up to these 'thugs' even if its a peaceful demo with families. Now try that on a minority demo or march. Yesterday in London there was a mostly peaceful demonstration, until the police, in force this time and armoured up , decided to randomly start arresting bystanders, most of whom had nothing to do with the demo at all. A sec 14 was put in place, but no one knew about it, and the police didnt issue any warnings, they started arresting and handcuffing people at random who stepped onto the road, so everyone moved to the pavement, asked the police if this was OK , answered yes. THEN they changed their mind and started arresting them too, completely at random, men women, well over 100 people , kept for 3-4 hours , not charged with anything , then de arrested, witnesses report that the police did not agree with what they were doing but 'orders are orders' Some admitted they believed it was to deter further demos and marches. Biased, 2 tier policing, with a political agenda, and they wonder why there is so much anger. Can't disagree with any of that. I watched quite a bit of the demonstration, live on YouTube last night and quite plainly the Police instigated 'issues'. Next door neighbour is MET and he says that a significant number of his colleagues are against the two tier policing, etc, etc and that there's quite a lot of 'Blue Flu' about. I wonder if we'll see the day that they cross the floor, so to speak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 34 minutes ago, Penelope said: I wonder if we'll see the day that they cross the floor, so to speak? Be too worried about their pensions most of them. Must be difficult for them, having to enforce something that they believe is morally wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 Axel Rudakubana. Reporting restrictions have been lifted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 They have named him https://news.sky.com/story/southport-violence-stabbings-attack-riot-london-hartlepool-misinformation-sky-news-blogs-13186819?postid=8057551#liveblog-body Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 (edited) Has anyone seen the photos of him the press have released of him, he must have been 12 at the time what a joke. interestingly he was expelled from Range High school in Liverpool for carrying a knife. Edited August 1 by sportsbob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 So as I said, this could now go either way, we could see increase in protest/riots. Or people will now calm. 1 hour ago, welsh1 said: They have named him https://news.sky.com/story/southport-violence-stabbings-attack-riot-london-hartlepool-misinformation-sky-news-blogs-13186819?postid=8057551#liveblog-body Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, Penelope said: Axel Rudakubana. Reporting restrictions have been lifted. There's a good Welsh name for you ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 Apparently he will be 18 in a few days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShootingEgg Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 23 minutes ago, sportsbob said: Apparently he will be 18 in a few days Does not matter in this case I think they should be named. Vile little being does not deserve to be hidden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 28 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said: Does not matter in this case I think they should be named. Vile little being does not deserve to be hidden. More to the point is in less than a week he would have been 18 and not only would his sentencing would have been harsher the media could not have said "boy", on the subject of the media this is the photo they have put up of the poor little mite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 He has been named, good Welsh name too....................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, ShootingEgg said: Does not matter in this case I think they should be named. Vile little being does not deserve to be hidden. Would have saved a lot of unnecessary confrontations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 starmer to address the nation outside number10 shortly so everything will be alright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 From the BBC News website; "Axel Muganwa Rudakubana is also charged with 10 counts of attempted murder after eight other children and two adults were seriously injured in the attack on Monday." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 2 minutes ago, Penelope said: Would have saved a lot of unnecessary confrontations. If he had been named the same day it happened it wouldn't of stopped the anger and riots because people were already coming to conclusions that it was a terror attack and that there was a good chance he wasn't white British Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 3 minutes ago, yickdaz said: If he had been named the same day it happened it wouldn't of stopped the anger and riots because people were already coming to conclusions that it was a terror attack and that there was a good chance he wasn't white British Unfortunately there are too many looking for division trying to exploit the system that gives them the space to exploit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yickdaz Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 1 minute ago, oowee said: Unfortunately there are too many looking for division trying to exploit the system that gives them the space to exploit. I know there is a lot of idiots doing this I'm not sticking up for them but it's called a backlash there wasn't riots for nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 From the BBC website "When arguing that the judge should impose reporting restrictions preventing Rudakubana's identification, the prosecution said the suspect had an “autism spectrum disorder diagnosis”, and that he had been “unwilling to leave the house and communicate with family for a period of time”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 23 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: From the BBC website "When arguing that the judge should impose reporting restrictions preventing Rudakubana's identification, the prosecution said the suspect had an “autism spectrum disorder diagnosis”, and that he had been “unwilling to leave the house and communicate with family for a period of time”. So teeing him up nicely for a "mental health" plea and a stay in hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 43 minutes ago, oowee said: Unfortunately there are too many looking for division trying to exploit the system that gives them the space to exploit. This. His surname is of Bantu origin, outside of Somalia that makes it highly likely he was born into a Christian family. If that's proven to the case and he's not "converted" then that pretty much only leaves one aspect of divisive agenda to exploit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 2 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: This. His surname is of Bantu origin, outside of Somalia that makes it highly likely he was born into a Christian family. If that's proven to the case and he's not "converted" then that pretty much only leaves one aspect of divisive agenda to exploit. Surely it's not because he is Welsh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 3 minutes ago, oowee said: Surely it's not because he is Welsh? OK, two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rewulf Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 10 minutes ago, Raja Clavata said: If that's proven to the case and he's not "converted" then that pretty much only leaves one aspect of divisive agenda to exploit. Thats right , lets get away from the facts of what hes actually done, and concentrate on what race he is. Pure deflection by the media et al. Next we can make excuses for him, due to his heritage, mental state, or home life. Weve just had all this in Nottingham, where a migrant, who shouldnt have been here, killed 3 people, and tried to kill more, he got a nice comfy bed in hospital, because hes 'ill'. Its got nothing to do with race, or religion, but innocent people are being murdered, raped and assaulted because of uncontrolled migration over the last 2 decades, and theres hundreds of thousands more queuing up to get in. People are sick of excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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