Winter fuel allowance gone 🤔

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Read this;

https://www.independent.co.uk/money/thousands-rush-to-claim-pension-credit-amid-winter-fuel-payment-squeeze-b2608501.html

[Sussexboy]

3 hours ago, Lloyd90 said:

Pensioners normally vote conservative. 

Not necessarily. These stats are from the 2024 election.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1379439/uk-election-polls-by-age/

Over 65s are definitely the biggest group of conservative voters, but only 40% of them are. 

Edited September 7 by Sussexboy
Spilling mistooks

[harrycatcat1]

My Labour MP Toby Perkins voted to stop the fuel allowance for some pensioners and has shown his true colours by not even replying to my email to him asking him not to. What a piece of excreta 🙄

[marsh man]

38 minutes ago, harrycatcat1 said:

My Labour MP Toby Perkins voted to stop the fuel allowance for some pensioners and has shown his true colours by not even replying to my email to him asking him not to. What a piece of excreta 🙄

I might be wrong but I still think there will be some back turn , how it will be ? , I don't really know , might be mean tested for those like me who are not on pension credit , or a reduced coupon towards the cost of your heating bill , so it is used purely for heating and not for cartridges 

[ditchman]

when does the vote take place ?

[old man]

6 minutes ago, ditchman said:

when does the vote take place ?

Done and carried, it's gone.

Just in time to vote themselves a fat jucy pay rise probably?

[harrycatcat1]

39 minutes ago, ditchman said:

when does the vote take place ?

Today, its been voted through, no turning back now.

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/national/uk-today/24575971.mp-vote-full-list-winter-fuel-payments-votes/

Edited September 10 by harrycatcat1

[dainty duck]

25 minutes ago, harrycatcat1 said:

Today, its been voted through, no turning back now.

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/national/uk-today/24575971.mp-vote-full-list-winter-fuel-payments-votes/

doesn't it have to go to house of lords ?

[harrycatcat1]

18 minutes ago, dainty duck said:

doesn't it have to go to house of lords ?

According to the news it said it will be law in a few weeks, but I'm not sure 🤔 tbh

Toby didn't even answer my email, he probably didn't have time due to his philandering, I'm just glad that I didn't vote for him 😉🤣

[shaun4860]

My liebour mp abstained.

Spineless piece of c***

[dainty duck]

12 hours ago, harrycatcat1 said:

According to the news it said it will be law in a few weeks, but I'm not sure 🤔 tbh

Toby didn't even answer my email, he probably didn't have time due to his philandering, I'm just glad that I didn't vote for him 😉🤣

yes and I'm  glad we didn't , but plenty did 🤔

[TIGHTCHOKE]

8 hours ago, shaun4860 said:

My liebour mp abstained.

Spineless piece of ****

I think there were 50 odd of them, I wonder if they will have the whip withdrawn as they didn't bow to the Great Leader that is Two Tier Kier.

[Old Boggy]

7 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

I think there were 50 odd of them, I wonder if they will have the whip withdrawn as they didn't bow to the Great Leader that is Two Tier Kier.

That’s why so many abstained for fear of having the whip withdrawn.

[Vince Green]

Bus passes next?

Then what?

free prescriptions for over 65s? 

And yet we are still giving away billions in Foreign Aid. If he had walked in and said Foreign Aid is out the window everyone would have patted him on the back and said now we are getting some where 

Edited September 11 by Vince Green

[TOPGUN749]

Lots more to come in the budget, possibly making single people paying full council tax,which would mean £450 a year extra next year,, for myself more than my £368 increase in state pension! Bus passes could go,petrol and diesel up by 10p a litre (or a lot more) and there are many other ways all of us not just pensioners will be poorer.

12 hours ago, shaun4860 said:

My liebour mp abstained.

Spineless piece of ****

Better than voting with Labour! But should have voted against of course!

[oowee]

13 minutes ago, TOPGUN749 said:

Lots more to come in the budget, possibly making single people paying full council tax,which would mean £450 a year extra next year,, for myself more than my £368 increase in state pension! Bus passes could go,petrol and diesel up by 10p a litre (or a lot more) and there are many other ways all of us not just pensioners will be poorer.

Better than voting with Labour! But should have voted against of course!

I do hope so on the fuel rises. We need to encourage transition. For too long the fuel escalator has been held. We need better services and I am happy to pay extra on fuel to get them. The fuel allowance has only been cut for the better off pensioners. I bet labour wish they had never introduced it in the first place. 

Is council tax discount a matter for central govt?

[TOPGUN749]

5 minutes ago, oowee said:

I do hope so on the fuel rises. We need to encourage transition. For too long the fuel escalator has been held. We need better services and I am happy to pay extra on fuel to get them. The fuel allowance has only been cut for the better off pensioners. I bet labour wish they had never introduced it in the first place. 

Is council tax discount a matter for central govt?

The fuel allowance has been cut for pensioners getting about £11,600 a year, do you honestly call them better off pensioners? Do you live on £223 a week? As for increasing fuel taxes, it can only lead to inflation in everything obviously due to getting goods to shops,and delivering them. Inflation means higher interest rates. Yes I believe council tax is ultimately a matter for Westminster is they are in the position to do so,and imposed the council tax system in the first place. If not independent councils could reinstate rates,or poll tax.

[Yellow Bear]

2 minutes ago, TOPGUN749 said:

The fuel allowance has been cut for pensioners getting about £11,600 a year, do you honestly call them better off pensioners? Do you live on £223 a week?

This just shows how out of touch with reality the senior civil servants and politicos are with reality.  It has also to be noted that in their view they are never wrong.  The Islington bubble rides again.

[oowee]

3 minutes ago, TOPGUN749 said:

The fuel allowance has been cut for pensioners getting about £11,600 a year, do you honestly call them better off pensioners? Do you live on £223 a week? As for increasing fuel taxes, it can only lead to inflation in everything obviously due to getting goods to shops,and delivering them. Inflation means higher interest rates. Yes I believe council tax is ultimately a matter for Westminster is they are in the position to do so,and imposed the council tax system in the first place. If not independent councils could reinstate rates,or poll tax.

 

Fuel clearly has an impact on inflation but it will have a far bigger impact on usage and transition. We all want better services and pensioners probably more than most. 

[welsh1]

11 minutes ago, oowee said:

I do hope so on the fuel rises. We need to encourage transition. For too long the fuel escalator has been held. We need better services and I am happy to pay extra on fuel to get them. The fuel allowance has only been cut for the better off pensioners. I bet labour wish they had never introduced it in the first place. 

Is council tax discount a matter for central govt?

You nee to come to rural wales and try to move about by public services, i think you would change your mind about extra charges on fuel.
To get to work 9 miles away takes me ,15 minutes, i get on the trike and ride straight there, if i want public transport i first have to walk a mile to the bus stop, then the bus goes to two other towns( i have to change bus at the second)it then takes me to the town i work in and i walk another mile to the office, the buss travels about 12 miles i walk 2 miles. Which option do you think i take?
I f i want to go to a city (cardiff) it is 100 miles, the car can go there and back on less than £30 of fuel (corsa 1.0L Average 55-60 mph) the train which only comes to my town twice a day costs £60 per person with discounted cards takes about 3 hours to get there compared to 1.5-1.45 hours in car.

Every time fuel is raised it creates more hardship for anyone who lives in rural locations, it takes money out of their pockets in what is mostly lower paid jobs.

It's all fun if you live in a city, or an island where everything is fairly close, but the reality of fuel tax raises is to make many people who are already struggling go under, and then the state has to pick up the tab and look after them, not really the best thing is it.

More fuel tax does not encourage more rural services, in the last 10 years two large bus companies who used to do all the bus services have gone bust, both blamed the cost of fuel, our local authority have now taken over the bus services, thry will not make a profit, but will make a nice loss, a loss coming out of all of the residents pockets.

 

[TOPGUN749]

1 minute ago, oowee said:

 

Fuel clearly has an impact on inflation but it will have a far bigger impact on usage and transition. We all want better services and pensioners probably more than most. 

We won’t get better services from a government that takes £4 a week from poor pensioners on £11,600 a year! While they all get thousands a week plus expenses.A government that sends billions to other countries some who send space rockets! A government that allows the fogies in the House of Lords to get £300 a day just to sit there.

There were many ways to raise 1.4 billion without taking from low income pensioners,and if enough of the poorest actually got pension credit it would cost far more than 1.4 billion, a very stupid decision.A lot more stupid decisions in the pipeline too!

I take it from your non reply that you don’t live on £11,600 a year! Yet think it’s right to take away £4 a week from those who do?

[TOPGUN749]

8 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

You nee to come to rural wales and try to move about by public services, i think you would change your mind about extra charges on fuel.
To get to work 9 miles away takes me ,15 minutes, i get on the trike and ride straight there, if i want public transport i first have to walk a mile to the bus stop, then the bus goes to two other towns( i have to change bus at the second)it then takes me to the town i work in and i walk another mile to the office, the buss travels about 12 miles i walk 2 miles. Which option do you think i take?
I f i want to go to a city (cardiff) it is 100 miles, the car can go there and back on less than £30 of fuel (corsa 1.0L Average 55-60 mph) the train which only comes to my town twice a day costs £60 per person with discounted cards takes about 3 hours to get there compared to 1.5-1.45 hours in car.

Every time fuel is raised it creates more hardship for anyone who lives in rural locations, it takes money out of their pockets in what is mostly lower paid jobs.

It's all fun if you live in a city, or an island where everything is fairly close, but the reality of fuel tax raises is to make many people who are already struggling go under, and then the state has to pick up the tab and look after them, not really the best thing is it.

More fuel tax does not encourage more rural services, in the last 10 years two large bus companies who used to do all the bus services have gone bust, both blamed the cost of fuel, our local authority have now taken over the bus services, thry will not make a profit, but will make a nice loss, a loss coming out of all of the residents pockets.

 

Well said,some on here haven’t a clue,and think it’s only better off pensioners who lost their heating allowance of £4 a week. £11,600 a year pensioners are hardly the better off!

[oowee]

8 minutes ago, welsh1 said:

You nee to come to rural wales and try to move about by public services, i think you would change your mind about extra charges on fuel.
To get to work 9 miles away takes me ,15 minutes, i get on the trike and ride straight there, if i want public transport i first have to walk a mile to the bus stop, then the bus goes to two other towns( i have to change bus at the second)it then takes me to the town i work in and i walk another mile to the office, the buss travels about 12 miles i walk 2 miles. Which option do you think i take?
I f i want to go to a city (cardiff) it is 100 miles, the car can go there and back on less than £30 of fuel (corsa 1.0L Average 55-60 mph) the train which only comes to my town twice a day costs £60 per person with discounted cards takes about 3 hours to get there compared to 1.5-1.45 hours in car.

Every time fuel is raised it creates more hardship for anyone who lives in rural locations, it takes money out of their pockets in what is mostly lower paid jobs.

It's all fun if you live in a city, or an island where everything is fairly close, but the reality of fuel tax raises is to make many people who are already struggling go under, and then the state has to pick up the tab and look after them, not really the best thing is it.

More fuel tax does not encourage more rural services, in the last 10 years two large bus companies who used to do all the bus services have gone bust, both blamed the cost of fuel, our local authority have now taken over the bus services, thry will not make a profit, but will make a nice loss, a loss coming out of all of the residents pockets.

 

I completely agree. In rural locations transport can be a nightmare. Here for a once a day bus I have to walk 2 miles to catch it. That said we have to tackle climate change and taxing carbon is one way to do it.

Ultimately if people cannot afford the lifestyle that they have then they have to change their lifestyle. I am currently (fingers crossed) moving into town where the bus stop will be almost opposite the house. A far cry from the location I have but recognising where I live is unsustainable. 

12 minutes ago, TOPGUN749 said:

 

There were many ways to raise 1.4 billion without taking from low income pensioners,and if enough of the poorest actually got pension credit it would cost far more than 1.4 billion, a very stupid decision.A lot more stupid decisions in the pipeline too!

 

The govt has to raise £20bn. Every service is broken and the economy is in decline. We cannot afford unsustainable benefit payments.

[TOPGUN749]

On 29/07/2024 at 17:31, oldypigeonpopper said:

Hello, It states 1 in 3 Pensioners still do not get Pension Credit that they should Apply for as it looks like you will only get the winter fuel payments if you get this Credit but there maybe other benefits that this applies to, Ok so someone who was thrifty and saved hard to get a decent pension life will loose the Allowance to someone who saved nothing and just paid the basic Government pension payment gets the Heating allowance, 

Even the new basic pension of £221.20 a week is too much to get pension credit! You need to have under £218,and not a lot of savings. Someone who deliberately missed some national insurance contributions in their lifetime and getting a reduced state pension is better off now,with the top up and no council tax reduced rent etc than the one on £221.20 a week.

[TOPGUN749]

1 minute ago, oowee said:

I completely agree. In rural locations transport can be a nightmare. Here for a once a day bus I have to walk 2 miles to catch it. That said we have to tackle climate change and taxing carbon is one way to do it.

Ultimately if people cannot afford the lifestyle that they have then they have to change their lifestyle. I am currently (fingers crossed) moving into town where the bus stop will be almost opposite the house. A far cry from the location I have but recognising where I live is unsustainable. 

The govt has to raise £20bn. Every service is broken and the economy is in decline. We cannot afford unsustainable benefit payments.

But somehow we can afford billions to send to foreign countries,or house and feed millions of illegal immigrants? Pay the MP’s £2,000 a week with expenses, ministerial cars,higher income tax and national insurance for the well paid,,the list is endless,but no take away £4 a week from an income of under £230 a week! Marvellous idea…🤣