JohnfromUK Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 Now the new Gov't has offered the Junior Doctors 22% (which their leaders are recommending they reject) - the GP have now voted to 'Work to Rule" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c72vp774rp3o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 2 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said: Now the new Gov't has offered the Junior Doctors 22% (which their leaders are recommending they reject) - the GP have now voted to 'Work to Rule" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c72vp774rp3o How will we know the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weihrauch17 Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 1 minute ago, JohnfromUK said: Now the new Gov't has offered the Junior Doctors 22% (which their leaders are recommending they reject) - the GP have now voted to 'Work to Rule" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c72vp774rp3o So very predictable, Labour will push inflation through the roof with their total capitulation on day one to the Unions. Totally unfit for purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob85 Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 I really don't see how the junior doctors actually deserve such a massive pay increase, have they become THAT much better at their jobs to warrant it? They need to drain the swamp of needless bureaucracy and middle management that has permeated the NHS work force over recent times, not to mention the made up jobs to satisfy the wokeness brigade. To free up and make it more efficient they need to get consultants working on the weekend, there are people who block beds all weekend because the consultant won't come in til Monday to check their scans. I can understand the need to take pressure off GP surgeries. To help they need to open more practices, and encourage more doctors to take on that role. The surgery in my town of approx 4000 people in it is totally over run because of the catchment area taking in patients from other surrounding towns and the rural areas meaning they have over 10,000 people on their books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1066 Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 35 minutes ago, Rob85 said: I really don't see how the junior doctors actually deserve such a massive pay increase, have they become THAT much better at their jobs to warrant it? They need to drain the swamp of needless bureaucracy and middle management that has permeated the NHS work force over recent times, not to mention the made up jobs to satisfy the wokeness brigade. To free up and make it more efficient they need to get consultants working on the weekend, there are people who block beds all weekend because the consultant won't come in til Monday to check their scans. I can understand the need to take pressure off GP surgeries. To help they need to open more practices, and encourage more doctors to take on that role. The surgery in my town of approx 4000 people in it is totally over run because of the catchment area taking in patients from other surrounding towns and the rural areas meaning they have over 10,000 people on their books. Totally agree Rob85, my wife works for the NHS in admin and there are 5 girls run by 4 managers and that’s if they are in work. It will never be fixed as it is impossible due to the entire size and infrastructure that is hidden by the big bosses. Personally I would give to the yanks for a set time and let them loose, they don’t suffer lazy ****. Obviously not all the NHS people are lazy, just most of them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 Public sector pay has to keep up.We don't have enough doctors. They can earn more working pretty much anywhere else. Given the training, the responsibility, the liability and the bodily fluids of the old the sick and the weak they deal with there are not many able to do the job. If you want quality you have to pay for it. The quality of the service delivered becomes more relevant when you have to use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCB56 Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, TIGHTCHOKE said: How will we know the difference? Because they will get more work done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 38 minutes ago, oowee said: Public sector pay has to keep up.We don't have enough doctors. They can earn more working pretty much anywhere else. Given the training, the responsibility, the liability and the bodily fluids of the old the sick and the weak they deal with there are not many able to do the job. If you want quality you have to pay for it. The quality of the service delivered becomes more relevant when you have to use it. .... and what about the drunks,the drug addicts, the ilegal staying hotels . Those that come to this country to get free NHS. Care and not pay for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 4 minutes ago, johnphilip said: .... and what about the drunks,the drug addicts, the ilegal staying hotels . Those that come to this country to get free NHS. Care and not pay for it. Clever Come on oowee what`s your solution to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashman Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 It’s a shame that NHS Trusts refuse to collect fees from healthcare tourists. The Trusts are allowed to, but historically refused to do it - I guess on the basis that we mug taxpayers must stump up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 41 minutes ago, RCB56 said: Because they will get more work done. Now wouldn't that be rather telling................................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 10 minutes ago, johnphilip said: .... and what about the drunks,the drug addicts, the ilegal staying hotels . Those that come to this country to get free NHS. Care and not pay for it. What about them? The NHS can and does charge for services to visitors but there is a reciprocal funding arrangement of some sort with some countries. On tourists I would insist that any tourist has health insurance to be admitted. 7 minutes ago, Flashman said: It’s a shame that NHS Trusts refuse to collect fees from healthcare tourists. The Trusts are allowed to, but historically refused to do it - I guess on the basis that we mug taxpayers must stump up. They do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nublue 22 Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 Give it to them, they can then go and turn it all Private, like the Dentist's, eight years we moved back here? Can't get NHS Dentist still, £74.00 twice a year to be told the same thing's. First problem since then,(today) you need a cap???. Well that will be? Wait, £740.00 that's why I am selling some guns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 1 minute ago, oowee said: What about them? The NHS can and does charge for services to visitors but there is a reciprocal funding arrangement of some sort with some countries. On tourists I would insist that any tourist has health insurance to be admitted. They do. " What about them. " ,i added them to your list, doctors don't deal with on mass the cleaning up of body fluids the nursing staff do because they treat people with respect and don't talk about old people as you have described them . They have more respect. You may need them one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 9 minutes ago, johnphilip said: " What about them. " ,i added them to your list, doctors don't deal with on mass the cleaning up of body fluids the nursing staff do because they treat people with respect and don't talk about old people as you have described them . They have more respect. You may need them one day. So what about them? What point are you trying to make? We were talking about doctors pay, not nurses. I said. Given the training, the responsibility, the liability and the bodily fluids of the old the sick and the weak they deal with there are not many able to do the job. No disrespect it's a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnphilip Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 6 minutes ago, oowee said: So what about them? What point are you trying to make? We were talking about doctors pay, not nurses. I said. Given the training, the responsibility, the liability and the bodily fluids of the old the sick and the weak they deal with there are not many able to do the job. No disrespect it's a fact. You mentioned. The old and infirm , I said that others also cause. Problems . And added them to your list. I was pointing out the the doctors do not generally sort out the mess the nursing staff do , they work as a team . You implied the doctors do it . If they can't do the job then its time to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 8 minutes ago, johnphilip said: You mentioned. The old and infirm , I said that others also cause. Problems . And added them to your list. I was pointing out the the doctors do not generally sort out the mess the nursing staff do , they work as a team . You implied the doctors do it . If they can't do the job then its time to move on. I rest my case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, Flashman said: It’s a shame that NHS Trusts refuse to collect fees from healthcare tourists. The Trusts are allowed to, but historically refused to do it - I guess on the basis that we mug taxpayers must stump up. people often forget this........and its not smal ammounts........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsbob Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 25 minutes ago, ditchman said: people often forget this........and its not smal ammounts........ Here here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbob Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 Maybe giving the junior doctors 22% was a mistake the unions have clocked this and jumped on the bandwagon ?. now the bin men are holding out while the Edinburgh festival is on here for 8 days tourists are going to see Edinburgh's rubbish in the streets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 55 minutes ago, ditchman said: people often forget this........and its not smal ammounts........ Its not true. I am sure it happens sometimes but on the whole they collect the fees due. There are reciprocal arrangements too for some countries. The biggest scammers (i bet) are expat brits. Living on the costa coffee and coming back to get treated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 35 minutes ago, oowee said: Its not true. I am sure it happens sometimes but on the whole they collect the fees due. There are reciprocal arrangements too for some countries. The biggest scammers (i bet) are expat brits. Living on the costa coffee and coming back to get treated. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11737185/Health-tourists-155-countries-run-219million-unpaid-NHS-bills.html ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 2 minutes ago, ditchman said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11737185/Health-tourists-155-countries-run-219million-unpaid-NHS-bills.html ? It's a problem certainly. Full fact has a good analysis that puts it more in perspective. Why we do not require health insurance from all tourists i don't know. We would have to employ a load of border people but that's not a bad thing. We could pay for it all with a tourist tax on each visitor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100milesaway Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 6 minutes ago, oowee said: It's a problem certainly. Full fact has a good analysis that puts it more in perspective. Why we do not require health insurance from all tourists i don't know. We would have to employ a load of border people but that's not a bad thing. We could pay for it all with a tourist tax on each visitor. Or another idea, why dont we have an illegal immigrant tax charged to all of the folks who want them here. From Auntie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oowee Posted August 1 Report Share Posted August 1 5 minutes ago, 100milesaway said: Or another idea, why dont we have an illegal immigrant tax charged to all of the folks who want them here. From Auntie. About as effective as sending them to Rwanda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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