Interesting thought for some, maybe?

[old man]

Obviously had far too much time today sitting under a tree.

Thinking of the RNLI situation with regard to their decision over collecting rubber boats and contents, as they do? Being now probably the vector for the highest numbers in illegal immigration?

Where does the law stand, supposed rescue for personal safety versus immigration?

Must stop thinking!

[TIGHTCHOKE]

Just now, old man said:

Obviously had far too much time today sitting under a tree.

Thinking of the RNLI situation with regard to their decision over collecting rubber boats and contents, as they do? Being now probably the vector for the highest numbers in illegal immigration?

Where does the law stand, supposed rescue for personal safety versus immigration?

Must stop thinking!

They should go out and RESCUE them.

 

Then they should take them back to France.

 

Simples................................

[rbrowning2]

is not the law of the sea that mariners are expected to go to the aid of any vessel in trouble, they are only immigrants once they land on u.k. soil are they not?

[100milesaway]

I stopped my regular donations to RNLI 18 months ago and I wasn't  on my own. From Auntie.

[oowee]

30 minutes ago, rbrowning2 said:

is not the law of the sea that mariners are expected to go to the aid of any vessel in trouble, they are only immigrants once they land on u.k. soil are they not?

Its a tricky one as they have both lost and gained donations as a result of their work. It should not be that the govt rely on charity to do the work of Border Force. Apparently there have been some clashes with the life boat refusing to launch unless there are people in the water(1).

The RNLI say anyone can drown and no one should regardless of where they are from.

We make substantial donations and see the RNLI as our AA rescue. I dread the day we come across a migrant boat and we often see the collected debris. 

 

 

 

1. https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/mar/03/rnli-lifeboats-coastguard-border-force-channel-tragedy-migrants

Edited August 1 by oowee

[Bigbob]

Why do they need rescued the boats arent sinking ?. 

If the navy or gun ships where in the channel picking them up and returning them to France the R.N.L.A wouldn't need to get involved 

[johnphilip]

7 minutes ago, Bigbob said:

Why do they need rescued the boats arent sinking ?. 

If the navy or gun ships where in the channel picking them up and returning them to France the R.N.L.A wouldn't need to get involved 

They did return a vessel to French beach the other week

 They should do it more often .

[TIGHTCHOKE]

13 minutes ago, oowee said:

Its a tricky one as they have both lost and gained donations as a result of their work. It should not be that the govt rely on charity to do the work of Border Force. Apparently there have been some clashes with the life boat refusing to launch unless there are people in the water(1).

The RNLI say anyone can drown and no one should regardless of where they are from.

We make substantial donations and see the RNLI as our AA rescue. I dread the day we come across a migrant boat and we often see the collected debris. 

That makes good sense as you may need their help.

I wonder how you will deal with it when it inevitably happens?

[oowee]

1 minute ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

That makes good sense as you may need their help.

I wonder how you will deal with it when it inevitably happens?

It's a serious concern. Maybe even more so in the med where cruising boats have been chased by migrant boats. 

[12gauge82]

3 hours ago, oowee said:

It's a serious concern. Maybe even more so in the med where cruising boats have been chased by migrant boats. 

Are they refugees, economic migrants, pirates? 

It's all getting very confusing these days 🤣

[Mice!]

4 hours ago, oowee said:

It's a serious concern. Maybe even more so in the med where cruising boats have been chased by migrant boats. 

But how do you know their migrant boats?? You should cut your engine and have a chat 🤣🤣

[Weihrauch17]

5 hours ago, johnphilip said:

They did return a vessel to French beach the other week

 They should do it more often .

Because it was about a mile off France the people who capsized were put into two boats and the French asked for them to be returned.  How was the UK boat able to react so quickly and why so deep in French waters.

[johnphilip]

Just now, Weihrauch17 said:

Because it was about a mile off France the people who capsized were put into two boats and the French asked for them to be returned.  How was the UK boat able to react so quickly and why so deep in French waters.

Exactly 

[GHE]

On 01/08/2024 at 17:14, rbrowning2 said:

is not the law of the sea that mariners are expected to go to the aid of any vessel in trouble, they are only immigrants once they land on u.k. soil are they not?

That's correct. The RNLI do not and cannot make any judgements, if people need help then, like all mariners, they provide that help.

On 01/08/2024 at 17:05, TIGHTCHOKE said:

They should go out and RESCUE them.

 

Then they should take them back to France.

 

Simples................................

The captain of the rescue ship makes the decision about where to land rescued people, and normally they just keep on going to their planned destination, and the country of destination has to accept the people who have been rescued.

There are rare and odd exceptions. When Carpathia rescued the 705 Titanic survivors their captain decided not to take them to Serbia, where he was heading, becausue of the numbers and shortage of food, so diverted to New York instead. Nobody suggested that he was wrong to do so . . .

The reason that the boat people don't usually get dropped off in France is that they don't want to go there and threaten to jump overboard if they are taken back, which is the opposite of what the RNLI want, they are trying to save lives, not end them.

Whether the RNLI should be doing the job of Border Force or not is a political matter, but maritime law trumps politics.

 

[12gauge82]

1 minute ago, GHE said:

That's correct. The RNLI do not and cannot make any judgements, if people need help then, like all mariners, they provide that help.

The captain of the rescue ship makes the decision about where to land rescued people, and normally they just keep on going to their planned destination, and the country of destination has to accept the people who have been rescued.

There are rare and odd exceptions. When Carpathia rescued the 705 Titanic survivors their captain decided not to take them to Serbia, where he was heading, becausue of the numbers and shortage of food, so diverted to New York instead. Nobody suggested that he was wrong to do so . . .

The reason that the boat people don't usually get dropped off in France is that they don't want to go there and threaten to jump overboard if they are taken back, which is the opposite of what the RNLI want, they are trying to save lives, not end them.

Whether the RNLI should be doing the job of Border Force or not is a political matter, but maritime law trumps politics.

 

Well the solution is simple, get border force in patrol boats, put holding cells on board, respond to any dingys in distress and return them straight back to where they came ie France. 

[johnphilip]

9 minutes ago, GHE said:

That's correct. The RNLI do not and cannot make any judgements, if people need help then, like all mariners, they provide that help.

The captain of the rescue ship makes the decision about where to land rescued people, and normally they just keep on going to their planned destination, and the country of destination has to accept the people who have been rescued.

There are rare and odd exceptions. When Carpathia rescued the 705 Titanic survivors their captain decided not to take them to Serbia, where he was heading, becausue of the numbers and shortage of food, so diverted to New York instead. Nobody suggested that he was wrong to do so . . .

The reason that the boat people don't usually get dropped off in France is that they don't want to go there and threaten to jump overboard if they are taken back, which is the opposite of what the RNLI want, they are trying to save lives, not end them.

Whether the RNLI should be doing the job of Border Force or not is a political matter, but maritime law trumps politics.

 

If they want to jump in the water let them , the rest will soon learn. Brutal but true .

[TIGHTCHOKE]

10 minutes ago, GHE said:

That's correct. The RNLI do not and cannot make any judgements, if people need help then, like all mariners, they provide that help.The captain of the rescue ship makes the decision about where to land rescued people, and normally they just keep on going to their planned destination, and the country of destination has to accept the people who have been rescued.There are rare and odd exceptions. When Carpathia rescued the 705 Titanic survivors their captain decided not to take them to Serbia, where he was heading, becausue of the numbers and shortage of food, so diverted to New York instead. Nobody suggested that he was wrong to do so . . .The reason that the boat people don't usually get dropped off in France is that they don't want to go there and threaten to jump overboard if they are taken back, which is the opposite of what the RNLI want, they are trying to save lives, not end them.Whether the RNLI should be doing the job of Border Force or not is a political matter, but maritime law trumps politics.

By all means rescue them and then take them back to whence they came. If they must land them on this side of the Channel they should go straight in to custody.

[Flashman]

1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said:

Well the solution is simple, get border force in patrol boats, put holding cells on board, respond to any dingys in distress and return them straight back to where they came ie France. 

This was investigated - health & safety made it v. difficult to implement.  It’s worth noting that UK Civil Service had all the objections.  

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, Flashman said:

This was investigated - health & safety made it v. difficult to implement.  It’s worth noting that UK Civil Service had all the objections.  

Investigated by who? 

Any intervention always has the risk of harm, whether it's a police motor vehicle chase, deploying a riot squad, deploying armed police, arresting someone, interving to stop an assault ect. but if you allow people to act with impunity, it simply encourages the criminal behaviour, which has harm linked to it itself, example, if they'd returned illegal migrant ls immediately, they would have stopped attempting to come, how many migrants have drowned in the last few years attempting to cross? How many UK citizens have lost their lives to people who shouldn't have been here in the first place? 

Saying it can't be done on H&S grounds is an absolute nonsense. 

[Vince Green]

On 01/08/2024 at 18:14, rbrowning2 said:

is not the law of the sea that mariners are expected to go to the aid of any vessel in trouble, they are only immigrants once they land on u.k. soil are they not?

They are not immigrants when they are landed

 They are 'distressed mariners who were rescued at sea'

Same status as the crew of any sinking ship

Their reason for being at sea in the first place doesn't come into it it seems 

[johnphilip]

7 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

They are not immigrants when they are landed

 They are 'distressed mariners who were rescued at sea'

Same status as the crew of any sinking ship

Their reason for being at sea in the first place doesn't come into it it seems 

Interesting then so if they are " distressed mariners"  and they have no form of id then they should be returned to France  as a safe haven and say they were trying to get to France 😀😀

[Vince Green]

Just now, johnphilip said:

Interesting then so if they are " distressed mariners"  and they have no form of id then they should be returned to France  as a safe haven and say they were trying to get to France 😀😀

Absolutely but France will not take them back because Macron is still trying to punish us for Brexit . Probably with some justification from his point of view because we were bankrolling the EU to quite a large amount and now we are not.

[Doormat]

Thanks to this forum I’ve only now been made aware that this was happening. We visited the coast last Monday and walked past the RNLI station. 
Now I won’t be showing any interest nor donating. I live inland so it doesn’t affect me personally.

I am becoming more and more annoyed that this 2 tier policing and government handling is having on this country’s people.

like the vast majority, I have worked my whole life and paid taxes throughout, never been in trouble, have no records…not even speeding offences 😂 I am a fully law abiding British citizen…yet I’m being told to accept or turn a blind eye to what’s slowly happening. 
 

No, I WILL NOT!! 

We need to boycott all businesses that thrive under migrants labour, be it car washes, take aways, market stalls, taxi’s, corner shops etc etc etc 

Give them nothing, maybe, just maybe they’ll then remember you don’t bite the hand that feeds you. 
 

As for labour and it’s puppet master.. I didn’t vote for them, have no respect for them and flatly refuse to be threatened by them. 
 

I knew this is what would happen, it was so obvious given Lammy and Abbot’s past, neither of them can hide their utter hatred towards white British. 
 

Before you jump the gun, I thought James Cleverly is brilliant and very much under appreciated, likewise I thought Barak Obama was superb during his presidency.

The fact is, as a nation we are fast losing our identity and being threatened to accept others coming in.

What other country would sit by and allow that? They are all taking a stand except for Britain. 

Call me racist, I no longer care. The more I read, see and hear the more anger is welling up. Poke a dog and eventually it will bite, likewise, keep taunting brits and the lion will roar…regardless what the puppet says.
 

 

Edited August 9 by Doormat

[12gauge82]

56 minutes ago, Doormat said:

 

We need to boycott all businesses that thrive under migrants labour, be it car washes, take aways, market stalls, taxi’s, corner shops etc etc etc 

Give them nothing, maybe, just maybe they’ll then remember you don’t bite the hand that feeds you. 
 

 

 

 

And how do you identify which business' they are? 

[Penelope]

1 hour ago, Doormat said:

likewise I thought Barak Obama was superb during his presidency.

You haven't looked close enough; nuff said.

1 hour ago, Doormat said:

What other country would sit by and allow that?  

The US, Canada and most of Europe.

All part of the plan.