Following on from the Budget, why shouldn't Farmers pay inheritance tax like the rest of us?

[JohnfromUK]

59 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Shoot and tax were his stated reasons I believe.

It doesn't really matter what his reasons were ........ as long as they were legal, and there is no suggestion that they weren't.  There is no secret that very wealthy people (another is James Dyson) have bought farmland to reduce thier tax. 

Why not?

But that is absolutely no reason to tax LOTS of completely unrelated small farms and family businesses very probably putting them out of business.  Clarkson, Dyson and all the others pay their taxes when they earn their money, they pay their taxes when the money is spent, they pay their taxes (stamp duty) when the farm is bought, they pay again when it is sold (if for a profit, CGT).  Why ever can they not just keep it within their family without paying yet more tax?

The 'Rich' top 1 per cent now pay 29 per cent of all income tax, up from 25 per cent in 2010 and 21 per cent at the turn of the century, so the broadest shoulders are already carrying the heaviest burden to paraphrase a rather patronising lefty favourite catch phrase.

I would like to see all inheritance tax removed for estates kept within a family structure.  It was taxed the the older generation(s) earned it, and it will be taxed again when whichever generation spends it or sells it.  Enough is enough.

[7daysinaweek]

7 hours ago, Scully said:

Of course it’s aimed at farmers! There was a lot of confused farmers in London the other day then if it’s not aimed at them! 
Your post above centres around farming and its incomes and EU subsidies, so how can it not be about farming?

First subsidies were introduced after the war in the late 40’s, and we weren’t in the EU then, and I believe in their current form in the early 60’s, and we weren’t in the EU then either. Nothing to do with your beloved EU. 
The cost of what it takes to produce affordable food has nothing to do with farmers, and everything to do with the petro-chemical industries and the supermarkets which set prices. 
If production costs rise then farmers have to take that on the chin; they cannot pass on the cost of their produce like other businesses because prices are fixed by outside influences, hence the subsidies. 
Getting rid of some farms won’t make food cheaper to produce ( when has that EVER worked?) because costs of production will continue to rise…they have never come down. 
Relying on importation of cheap food isn’t my idea of food security. 
 

A good friend is a main greens grower for one of the 'BIG 5' as they are known in the UK, if you have bought a cauli, cabbage, leek or kale from one of these supermarkets in the northwest, a good chance is, he grew it.

Now, its is a good few years since we last spoke about costs and what he is paid for by Tesco. I was absolutely staggered. The only way he makes the business work is by growing at scale, and I would say he provides the greatest amount in resources in the whole of the, from 'field to fork' thingy. 

Let me explain, and I will use a cauliflower as the product as I know this was the last crop we spoke about.

 

He owns the land/rents some

He buys the seed

He provides the fertiliser

He provides the tractor, fuel, the labour and equipment to sow the seed

He provides the agri sprays for pesticides etc

He provides the labour to harvest the cauliflower

He provides the wash plant and labour to clean the veg, he bags it, and boxes it, and cold stores it until pick up

Tesco provides the clear bags, with barcode and the carboard box which they are put into, they collect straight from the farm into artic lorry which he loads with his forklift. They then go to a central distribution centre and straight onto the shelf in the supermarket.

If the crop fails he does not get paid, if the crop is poor, his price is lowered or it may be rejected which is understandable, If there is a sudden change in demand for a different vegatable from the public, he stands the cost of the supermarket buying from him, still at the agreed amount per contract, however, the price he is paid is reduced on a sliding scale.

I think I last spoke to him about 5 years ago about this, if I recall correctly, he was getting paid after all of the above about 8 pence per cauliflower.

He told me the supermarkets and their accountants control almost every single part of the market and he also said they are the worst for dragging out payments when invoiced.

He has quite a large workforce and reluctant to downsize the business due to commitments to his long term staff, many are like family to him, and have farmed with him for decades. He is now approaching his eighties.

What will these employees do?, very poor times ahead.

 

 

I have another friend who grew spuds for a 'high end' supermarket chain for a single, season, when he was eventually paid, he only received half the amount. He says he was told by the agent that they had had been selling the product as a 'BOGOF' and that he, as the provider stood the cost.

He told me it was in the contract somewhere , but needed to be 'Philadelphia Layer' to have understood it, he said he had no help from the buying agent or the NFU, and was quoted anything up to 45k as legal costs if he were to aggressively pursue the loss.

That was the first and last time he ever dealt directly with a supermarket chain.

 

Farming in this country is being killed off in all it's shapes and forms under this sodding lot.

Very sad indeed.

The UK will be sprawling craphole of concrete, what happened to my beautiful country. 😢

[oowee]

8 minutes ago, 7daysinaweek said:

 

 

Farming in this country is being killed off in all it's shapes and forms under this sodding lot.

Very sad indeed.

The UK will be sprawling craphole of concrete, what happened to my beautiful country. 😢

Supermarkets?

Greed is a human trait.

Hopefully the £5bn being put into nature friendly sustainable farming will help. 

27 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

1 per cent now pay 29 per cent of all income tax, up from 25 per cent in 2010 and 21 per cent at the turn of the century, so the broadest shoulders are already carrying the heaviest burden to paraphrase a rather patronising lefty favourite catch phrase.

 

That top 1% owning 43% of all personal wealth. 

[mellors]

Just seen this. 

Self explanatory its a no win situation and WRONG. 

[Dougy]

31 minutes ago, 7daysinaweek said:

A good friend is a main greens grower for one of the 'BIG 5' as they are known in the UK, if you have bought a cauli, cabbage, leek or kale from one of these supermarkets in the northwest, a good chance is, he grew it.

Now, its is a good few years since we last spoke about costs and what he is paid for by Tesco. I was absolutely staggered. The only way he makes the business work is by growing at scale, and I would say he provides the greatest amount in resources in the whole of the, from 'field to fork' thingy. 

Let me explain, and I will use a cauliflower as the product as I know this was the last crop we spoke about.

 

He owns the land/rents some

He buys the seed

He provides the fertiliser

He provides the tractor, fuel, the labour and equipment to sow the seed

He provides the agri sprays for pesticides etc

He provides the labour to harvest the cauliflower

He provides the wash plant and labour to clean the veg, he bags it, and boxes it, and cold stores it until pick up

Tesco provides the clear bags, with barcode and the carboard box which they are put into, they collect straight from the farm into artic lorry which he loads with his forklift. They then go to a central distribution centre and straight onto the shelf in the supermarket.

If the crop fails he does not get paid, if the crop is poor, his price is lowered or it may be rejected which is understandable, If there is a sudden change in demand for a different vegatable from the public, he stands the cost of the supermarket buying from him, still at the agreed amount per contract, however, the price he is paid is reduced on a sliding scale.

I think I last spoke to him about 5 years ago about this, if I recall correctly, he was getting paid after all of the above about 8 pence per cauliflower.

He told me the supermarkets and their accountants control almost every single part of the market and he also said they are the worst for dragging out payments when invoiced.

He has quite a large workforce and reluctant to downsize the business due to commitments to his long term staff, many are like family to him, and have farmed with him for decades. He is now approaching his eighties.

What will these employees do?, very poor times ahead.

 

 

I have another friend who grew spuds for a 'high end' supermarket chain for a single, season, when he was eventually paid, he only received half the amount. He says he was told by the agent that they had had been selling the product as a 'BOGOF' and that he, as the provider stood the cost.

He told me it was in the contract somewhere , but needed to be 'Philadelphia Layer' to have understood it, he said he had no help from the buying agent or the NFU, and was quoted anything up to 45k as legal costs if he were to aggressively pursue the loss.

That was the first and last time he ever dealt directly with a supermarket chain.

 

Farming in this country is being killed off in all it's shapes and forms under this sodding lot.

Very sad indeed.

The UK will be sprawling craphole of concrete, what happened to my beautiful country. 😢

Your story is similar to one i heard years ago but the crop where carrots, the supermarket did not take any of the crops that the farmer was asked to grow. I cant remember the reason given but probably down to weather affecting the crop. 

[JohnfromUK]

46 minutes ago, oowee said:

That top 1% owning 43% of all personal wealth. 

and why not ? 

There will always be wealthy and less wealthy; people simply are and behave differently.  It's just the same everywhere and is both human nature and not illegal or 'immoral'.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

1 minute ago, JohnfromUK said:

and why not ? 

There will always be wealthy and less wealthy; people simply are and behave differently.  It's just the same everywhere and is both human nature and not illegal or 'immoral'.

But perhaps Oowee is keen for a redistribution of wealth so that "WE" are "ALL EQUAL"   

[oowee]

10 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

and why not ? 

There will always be wealthy and less wealthy; people simply are and behave differently.  It's just the same everywhere and is both human nature and not illegal or 'immoral'.

No reason at all. 

[JohnfromUK]

7 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

But perhaps Oowee is keen for a redistribution of wealth so that "WE" are "ALL EQUAL"   

People will never be equal.  Some are natural savers and strivers - others are natural spenders and wastrels - it's human nature.

Let the "savers and strivers" make the money, allow them to keep most of it - and tax (take) a portion to pay for the 'state' services. 

[Scully]

‘Nature friendly sustainable farming’ is known as organic farming. It is labour intensive, consists of slow and low yields because of its very nature, and is therefore expensive.

Why do you think the petro-chemical industry was used to create and manufacture fertilisers and herbicides following the Second World War, and subsidies introduced in tandem?
Most people cannot afford to buy organic crops, which is why supermarkets make such huge amounts of profit. Supermarkets were started by wealthy businessmen and women who saw an opportunity to form coalitions to increase buying power and thereby control market prices at a cost independent shops couldn’t compete with, thereby closing down those traditional small high street shops, and now dictate how much they will pay for a product.

Have a look round your nearest supermarket and see what percentage of organic produce it has in comparison to non-organic. Everyone wants it but most can’t afford it. 

As an aside, as an indication of just how powerful supermarkets are…… in general it is common knowledge that the more supermarkets a town has, the more charity shops it will have. 
‘Every little helps’. 👍

[7daysinaweek]

1 hour ago, Dougy said:

Your story is similar to one i heard years ago but the crop where carrots, the supermarket did not take any of the crops that the farmer was asked to grow. I cant remember the reason given but probably down to weather affecting the crop. 

It appers to be common practice, I have heard of a few getting stung.

27 minutes ago, JohnfromUK said:

People will never be equal.  Some are natural savers and strivers - others are natural spenders and wastrels - it's human nature.

Let the "savers and strivers" make the money, allow them to keep most of it - and tax (take) a portion to pay for the 'state' services. 

👍

[Scully]

1 hour ago, 7daysinaweek said:

A good friend is a main greens grower for one of the 'BIG 5' as they are known in the UK, if you have bought a cauli, cabbage, leek or kale from one of these supermarkets in the northwest, a good chance is, he grew it.

Now, its is a good few years since we last spoke about costs and what he is paid for by Tesco. I was absolutely staggered. The only way he makes the business work is by growing at scale, and I would say he provides the greatest amount in resources in the whole of the, from 'field to fork' thingy. 

Let me explain, and I will use a cauliflower as the product as I know this was the last crop we spoke about.

 

He owns the land/rents some

He buys the seed

He provides the fertiliser

He provides the tractor, fuel, the labour and equipment to sow the seed

He provides the agri sprays for pesticides etc

He provides the labour to harvest the cauliflower

He provides the wash plant and labour to clean the veg, he bags it, and boxes it, and cold stores it until pick up

Tesco provides the clear bags, with barcode and the carboard box which they are put into, they collect straight from the farm into artic lorry which he loads with his forklift. They then go to a central distribution centre and straight onto the shelf in the supermarket.

If the crop fails he does not get paid, if the crop is poor, his price is lowered or it may be rejected which is understandable, If there is a sudden change in demand for a different vegatable from the public, he stands the cost of the supermarket buying from him, still at the agreed amount per contract, however, the price he is paid is reduced on a sliding scale.

I think I last spoke to him about 5 years ago about this, if I recall correctly, he was getting paid after all of the above about 8 pence per cauliflower.

He told me the supermarkets and their accountants control almost every single part of the market and he also said they are the worst for dragging out payments when invoiced.

He has quite a large workforce and reluctant to downsize the business due to commitments to his long term staff, many are like family to him, and have farmed with him for decades. He is now approaching his eighties.

What will these employees do?, very poor times ahead.

 

 

I have another friend who grew spuds for a 'high end' supermarket chain for a single, season, when he was eventually paid, he only received half the amount. He says he was told by the agent that they had had been selling the product as a 'BOGOF' and that he, as the provider stood the cost.

He told me it was in the contract somewhere , but needed to be 'Philadelphia Layer' to have understood it, he said he had no help from the buying agent or the NFU, and was quoted anything up to 45k as legal costs if he were to aggressively pursue the loss.

That was the first and last time he ever dealt directly with a supermarket chain.

 

Farming in this country is being killed off in all it's shapes and forms under this sodding lot.

Very sad indeed.

The UK will be sprawling craphole of concrete, what happened to my beautiful country. 😢

Good post. Sounds very familiar. 

[7daysinaweek]

6 minutes ago, Scully said:

Good post. Sounds very familiar. 

👍

[12gauge82]

On 19/11/2024 at 18:24, oowee said:

No evidence of that. The biggest extraction of cash from farming was by those voting for Brexit removing the extensive subsidies. Labour is at least trying to redress some of this. 

Lets be honest shall we?

Before the UK first joined the common market, the French blocked us because UK farmers were more efficient than them and the French wouldn't allow us to join before they secured the subsidys. The EU has done no end of damage to UK farming for decades. 

[12gauge82]

2 hours ago, 7daysinaweek said:

A good friend is a main greens grower for one of the 'BIG 5' as they are known in the UK, if you have bought a cauli, cabbage, leek or kale from one of these supermarkets in the northwest, a good chance is, he grew it.

Now, its is a good few years since we last spoke about costs and what he is paid for by Tesco. I was absolutely staggered. The only way he makes the business work is by growing at scale, and I would say he provides the greatest amount in resources in the whole of the, from 'field to fork' thingy. 

Let me explain, and I will use a cauliflower as the product as I know this was the last crop we spoke about.

 

He owns the land/rents some

He buys the seed

He provides the fertiliser

He provides the tractor, fuel, the labour and equipment to sow the seed

He provides the agri sprays for pesticides etc

He provides the labour to harvest the cauliflower

He provides the wash plant and labour to clean the veg, he bags it, and boxes it, and cold stores it until pick up

Tesco provides the clear bags, with barcode and the carboard box which they are put into, they collect straight from the farm into artic lorry which he loads with his forklift. They then go to a central distribution centre and straight onto the shelf in the supermarket.

If the crop fails he does not get paid, if the crop is poor, his price is lowered or it may be rejected which is understandable, If there is a sudden change in demand for a different vegatable from the public, he stands the cost of the supermarket buying from him, still at the agreed amount per contract, however, the price he is paid is reduced on a sliding scale.

I think I last spoke to him about 5 years ago about this, if I recall correctly, he was getting paid after all of the above about 8 pence per cauliflower.

He told me the supermarkets and their accountants control almost every single part of the market and he also said they are the worst for dragging out payments when invoiced.

He has quite a large workforce and reluctant to downsize the business due to commitments to his long term staff, many are like family to him, and have farmed with him for decades. He is now approaching his eighties.

What will these employees do?, very poor times ahead.

 

 

I have another friend who grew spuds for a 'high end' supermarket chain for a single, season, when he was eventually paid, he only received half the amount. He says he was told by the agent that they had had been selling the product as a 'BOGOF' and that he, as the provider stood the cost.

He told me it was in the contract somewhere , but needed to be 'Philadelphia Layer' to have understood it, he said he had no help from the buying agent or the NFU, and was quoted anything up to 45k as legal costs if he were to aggressively pursue the loss.

That was the first and last time he ever dealt directly with a supermarket chain.

 

Farming in this country is being killed off in all it's shapes and forms under this sodding lot.

Very sad indeed.

The UK will be sprawling craphole of concrete, what happened to my beautiful country. 😢

I believe the UK needs to turn away from a globalist, big business, high immigration over populated nation and go back to simpler times, encouraging small businesses, high pay, high skilled economy. 

We have gone backwards over the last 30 years. The current system doesn't work for the average person. A good example of this, back in the year 2000, the average Brit and USA citizen had comparable pay, fast forward to today and the average US citizen is 20k a year, every year better off, that shows how much the UKs growth has stalled compared to them. 

[oowee]

36 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Before the UK first joined the common market, the French blocked us because UK farmers were more efficient than them and the French wouldn't allow us to join before they secured the subsidys. The EU has done no end of damage to UK farming for decades. 

Yes agreed. If I remember correctly even when we were part of the EU they had a go at us over lamb (was it) I think. Fishing has also been an area of contention.

Setting aside this tax concern we need some serious changes to agriculture. It's one industry where market economics is not working. I would not want to trust this govt to come up with a game plan. 

[Wymondley]

1 hour ago, 12gauge82 said:

I believe the UK needs to turn away from a globalist, big business, high immigration over populated nation and go back to simpler times, encouraging small businesses, high pay, high skilled economy. 

Which is what, I'd guess, those voting for Brexit thought they'd get.

 

[7daysinaweek]

21 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

I believe the UK needs to turn away from a globalist, big business, high immigration over populated nation and go back to simpler times, encouraging small businesses, high pay, high skilled economy. 

We have gone backwards over the last 30 years. The current system doesn't work for the average person. A good example of this, back in the year 2000, the average Brit and USA citizen had comparable pay, fast forward to today and the average US citizen is 20k a year, every year better off, that shows how much the UKs growth has stalled compared to them. 

I agree,

For me personally, I think the country peaked around 2014, almost everything appears to have gotten worse since, with an acceleration towards social oblivion in this country. 

We have adopted a propensity for self loathing, a mentality that has travelled from other parts of the globe.

What a frightening place the UK has become, a dystopian world, where fear and redemption is your only saviour, and I cannot think of one thing that has gotten better around me apart from technology in some minor forms.

If I could teleport back to the 90's, I would in a flash, I would have bought a lot more bitcoin in 2010 and flew English the nest not long thereafter. If I paint a bleak future, it is because the outlook appears bleak to me, in social and economic terms anyway.

I am very fortunate that we have the means and skills to move to another country, and this is something we as a family are seriously considering in the next few years.

If we do go, it will break my heart. 

Apologies for derailing the thread somewhat.

[12gauge82]

18 minutes ago, 7daysinaweek said:

I agree,

For me personally, I think the country peaked around 2014, almost everything appears to have gotten worse since, with an acceleration towards social oblivion in this country. 

We have adopted a propensity for self loathing, a mentality that has travelled from other parts of the globe.

What a frightening place the UK has become, a dystopian world, where fear and redemption is your only saviour, and I cannot think of one thing that has gotten better around me apart from technology in some minor forms.

If I could teleport back to the 90's, I would in a flash, I would have bought a lot more bitcoin in 2010 and flew English the nest not long thereafter. If I paint a bleak future, it is because the outlook appears bleak to me, in social and economic terms anyway.

I am very fortunate that we have the means and skills to move to another country, and this is something we as a family are seriously considering in the next few years.

If we do go, it will break my heart. 

Apologies for derailing the thread somewhat.

You have summed up my thoughts almost exactly, including emigration. 

It saddens me also. I hope the UK changes course before it's too late. 

I hope Labour reverses course on farming, while I'm all for closing loop holes of buying up land to avoid tax, it shouldnt be at the expense of generational farming. 

[7daysinaweek]

3 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

You have summed up my thoughts almost exactly, including emigration. 

It saddens me also. I hope the UK changes course before it's too late. 

I hope Labour reverses course on farming, while I'm all for closing loop holes of buying up land to avoid tax, it shouldnt be at the expense of generational farming. 

👍

[oldypigeonpopper]

5 hours ago, 7daysinaweek said:

A good friend is a main greens grower for one of the 'BIG 5' as they are known in the UK, if you have bought a cauli, cabbage, leek or kale from one of these supermarkets in the northwest, a good chance is, he grew it.

Now, its is a good few years since we last spoke about costs and what he is paid for by Tesco. I was absolutely staggered. The only way he makes the business work is by growing at scale, and I would say he provides the greatest amount in resources in the whole of the, from 'field to fork' thingy. 

Let me explain, and I will use a cauliflower as the product as I know this was the last crop we spoke about.

 

He owns the land/rents some

He buys the seed

He provides the fertiliser

He provides the tractor, fuel, the labour and equipment to sow the seed

He provides the agri sprays for pesticides etc

He provides the labour to harvest the cauliflower

He provides the wash plant and labour to clean the veg, he bags it, and boxes it, and cold stores it until pick up

Tesco provides the clear bags, with barcode and the carboard box which they are put into, they collect straight from the farm into artic lorry which he loads with his forklift. They then go to a central distribution centre and straight onto the shelf in the supermarket.

If the crop fails he does not get paid, if the crop is poor, his price is lowered or it may be rejected which is understandable, If there is a sudden change in demand for a different vegatable from the public, he stands the cost of the supermarket buying from him, still at the agreed amount per contract, however, the price he is paid is reduced on a sliding scale.

I think I last spoke to him about 5 years ago about this, if I recall correctly, he was getting paid after all of the above about 8 pence per cauliflower.

He told me the supermarkets and their accountants control almost every single part of the market and he also said they are the worst for dragging out payments when invoiced.

He has quite a large workforce and reluctant to downsize the business due to commitments to his long term staff, many are like family to him, and have farmed with him for decades. He is now approaching his eighties.

What will these employees do?, very poor times ahead.

 

 

I have another friend who grew spuds for a 'high end' supermarket chain for a single, season, when he was eventually paid, he only received half the amount. He says he was told by the agent that they had had been selling the product as a 'BOGOF' and that he, as the provider stood the cost.

He told me it was in the contract somewhere , but needed to be 'Philadelphia Layer' to have understood it, he said he had no help from the buying agent or the NFU, and was quoted anything up to 45k as legal costs if he were to aggressively pursue the loss.

That was the first and last time he ever dealt directly with a supermarket chain.

 

Farming in this country is being killed off in all it's shapes and forms under this sodding lot.

Very sad indeed.

The UK will be sprawling craphole of concrete, what happened to my beautiful country. 😢

Hello, A lot of hard work for not much return, This is true, My farmer friend before he passed away said of another Farmer he knew was asked by Tesco to grow a field of Carrots, Then Tesco came back with such a low price that he would loose a lot of money , Tesco did not care, 

[7daysinaweek]

A similar sentiment from my friend.

 

[shaun4860]

6 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

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Except his wealth of course, god forbid he would have to do that 😗

He is among the “what’s yours is mine and what’s mine is me own” brigade, normally know as the Liebour Govt.

[TIGHTCHOKE]

From the daily Express;

"Labour is facing fury for "destroying" British farms with its cruel tax raid while sending hundreds of millions of pounds to support foreign farmers.

An investigation found the UK's aid budget is handing huge sums of money to farmers in Africa, Asia, and South America.

More than £536 million is being spent overseas on ten programmes including grants to promote low-carbon agriculture practices in Brazil, the world's 11th richest country.

Another scheme, worth more than £16 million, aims to produce tea in Rwanda for the first time."

[Penelope]

11 hours ago, 7daysinaweek said:

We have adopted a propensity for self loathing, a mentality that has travelled from other parts of the globe.

No, that is being foistered upon us.