Fox Hunting in the news again

[Poor Shot]

4 minutes ago, Penelope said:

I have often encountered mountain bikers who have absolutely no consideration for other path users, flying around at plus 20mph speeds. It at very least hurts to be hit by a bike at that speed (I speak from experience, I was lucky), so I can understand, if not condone those actions. (Me - sometimes road cyclist, and some of them can be complete arises too).

Agreed. There are bad apples in all aspects of life. 

[B686]

14 minutes ago, Poor Shot said:

Agreed. There are bad apples in all aspects of life. 

That’s true, few idiots ruin it for the masses.

[12gauge82]

4 hours ago, Penelope said:

I have often encountered mountain bikers who have absolutely no consideration for other path users, flying around at plus 20mph speeds. It at very least hurts to be hit by a bike at that speed (I speak from experience, I was lucky), so I can understand, if not condone those actions. (Me - sometimes road cyclist, and some of them can be complete arises too).

While I get it's annoying, on what planet is it OK to string wires across the path, it could kill someone? 

[12gauge82]

On the question of whats banned next once hunting with dogs is consigned to the history books. I see it the other way, if the shooting community agrees that hunting with dogs needs to go, we can reasonably argue our case on the need to keep shooting, if we argue to keep hunting with dogs I don't believe it is credible, it's not needed, it's not humane and we'll be lumped in with them in the eyes of the public. 

Edited November 21 by 12gauge82

[London Best]

5 hours ago, Penelope said:

I have often encountered mountain bikers who have absolutely no consideration for other path users, flying around at plus 20mph speeds. It at very least hurts to be hit by a bike at that speed (I speak from experience, I was lucky), so I can understand, if not condone those actions. (Me - sometimes road cyclist, and some of them can be complete arises too).

As long ago as 1991 I had a grouse drive ruined by a line of mountain bikers riding along sheep tracks right across the moor. No expense to them, I’m sure. It has to have become a lot worse over the last thirty years.

[Poor Shot]

34 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

On the question of whats banned next once hunting with dogs is consigned to the history books. I see it the other way, if the shooting community agrees that hunting with dogs needs to go, we can reasonably argue our case on the need to keep shooting, if we argue to keep hunting with dogs I don't believe it is credible, it's not needed, it's not humane and we'll be lumped in with them in the eyes of the public. 

Do you think that shooting can stand the pressure that has been put onto fox hunting historically? We have enough problems as it is with a near shadow ban on game shooting taking place in Wales which was only narrowly avoided due to the amount of responses received and the inefficiency in which NRW is processing them and the huge effort put forward by BASC to get these responses.

A labour government was previously elected largly on having a fox hunting ban in their manifesto. That's a huge amount of opposition which could very easily be manipulated into supporting a ban on game shooting.

I can see it now, labour running for government in 2028 with the promise of banning game shooting in big bold letters. We all know just how easy parties will steal ideas from their opposition if they think it'll get them some support. If we're extra unlucky then we could see the conservatives also running on a game shooting ban.

I'd love to share your optimism on this but if fox hunting goes in its entirely then we'll be right in the firing line.

[12gauge82]

1 hour ago, Poor Shot said:

Do you think that shooting can stand the pressure that has been put onto fox hunting historically? We have enough problems as it is with a near shadow ban on game shooting taking place in Wales which was only narrowly avoided due to the amount of responses received and the inefficiency in which NRW is processing them and the huge effort put forward by BASC to get these responses.

A labour government was previously elected largly on having a fox hunting ban in their manifesto. That's a huge amount of opposition which could very easily be manipulated into supporting a ban on game shooting.

I can see it now, labour running for government in 2028 with the promise of banning game shooting in big bold letters. We all know just how easy parties will steal ideas from their opposition if they think it'll get them some support. If we're extra unlucky then we could see the conservatives also running on a game shooting ban.

I'd love to share your optimism on this but if fox hunting goes in its entirely then we'll be right in the firing line.

I do. They are very different sports and the public are not largely against shooting which is the opposite of the Hunts. Hell even much of the countryside is against the Hunts, I really don't think many of them did themselves any favours. 

[scolopax]

I love fox hunting, just wish there was a lot more of it. Trails are painfully boring unless you are in the mounted field out for a gallop.  Only thing better than a good fox hunt would be a good otter hunt. Got to turn the clock back a long way for that though. Tally Ho 
 

 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

6 hours ago, scolopax said:

I love fox hunting, just wish there was a lot more of it. Trails are painfully boring unless you are in the mounted field out for a gallop.  Only thing better than a good fox hunt would be a good otter hunt. Got to turn the clock back a long way for that though. Tally Ho 

Do you ride out often?   

[Rim Fire]

18 hours ago, Dougy said:

1st Badger baiting 

2nd Deer & Hare coursing 

3rd Fox hunting

4th Driven game to Inc Grouse, Pheasant and Partidge. 

5th Angling both game and course.

Then probably back on crop protection to include pigeon,  corridor etc. 

 

 

As i said conquer and divide but you are right Dougy thats the way its gone so far   

[Rim Fire]

11 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

I do. They are very different sports and the public are not largely against shooting which is the opposite of the Hunts. Hell even much of the countryside is against the Hunts, I really don't think many of them did themselves any favours. 

The public was never against fox hunting  until the antis got involved and turned there way of thinking it will all go eventually if you don't stand together 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

I think a lot of the cause of the downfall of fox hunting was a class action against the supposed "toffs" who hunted.

 

There was quite a vigorous publicity campaign suggesting that "ordinary" people hunted too.

 

It fell on deaf ears though. 

[Penelope]

14 hours ago, 12gauge82 said:

While I get it's annoying, on what planet is it OK to string wires across the path, it could kill someone? 

I never said it was, but equaly on what planet is it ok to hammer along a mountain bike on a track used by walkers, thinking it's your own private race track? It's downright reckless and dangerous.

[Penelope]

17 minutes ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

I think a lot of the cause of the downfall of fox hunting was a class action against the supposed "toffs" who hunted.

 

There was quite a vigorous publicity campaign suggesting that "ordinary" people hunted too.

 

It fell on deaf ears though. 

And the same could very easily be done to shooting; and think of all the malicious allegations that could be made against those holding the guns by the sabs.

What do you think plod will do in those circumstances? They'll take the path of least resistance, of course and the collective 'we' will be the ones that suffer.

[12gauge82]

18 minutes ago, Penelope said:

I never said it was, but equaly on what planet is it ok to hammer along a mountain bike on a track used by walkers, thinking it's your own private race track? It's downright reckless and dangerous.

Apologies, you didn't condone wire but nail boards broken glass, felled trees ect, better but not a lot imo. I agree people on bikes shouldn't be riding recklessly, there are already laws in place against it, although they are rarely enforced, until something goes seriously wrong. 

[12gauge82]

45 minutes ago, Rim Fire said:

The public was never against fox hunting  until the antis got involved and turned there way of thinking it will all go eventually if you don't stand together 

I think the image of scores of people, dogs and horses chasing down a fox and ripping it up did it to be honest. And I think many of the hunts upset people in the countryside, riding across farmers land, damaging fences, trespassing ect. When the time came they lacked support, I've got to be honest, a couple of hunts annoyed me in the past. 

I really don't think shooting will suffer the same opposition, providing we distance ourselves and don't in the eyes of the public become one and the same as the hunts. 

[Penelope]

4 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

Apologies, you didn't condone wire but nail boards broken glass, felled trees ect, better but not a lot imo. I agree people on bikes shouldn't be riding recklessly, there are already laws in place against it, although they are rarely enforced, until something goes seriously wrong. 

if not condone those actions

 

What part of not, do you have difficulty understanding?

[12gauge82]

9 minutes ago, Penelope said:

if not condone those actions

 

What part of not, do you have difficulty understanding?

Apologies again you are of course correct. Perhaps I need to go back to school 😂

[TIGHTCHOKE]

36 minutes ago, Penelope said:

And the same could very easily be done to shooting; and think of all the malicious allegations that could be made against those holding the guns by the sabs.

What do you think plod will do in those circumstances? They'll take the path of least resistance, of course and the collective 'we' will be the ones that suffer.

Yes, I reckon you're correct, only time will tell, but being seen to condone the stupid actions of a few hunters will do shooting no favours.

[Gordon R]

I am not in favour of fox hunting, but it was a British tradition, which has gone. Why do the antis never target halal slaughter?

[Pushandpull]

The RSPCA does have an ongoing campaign against non-stun slaughter - halal and kosher.

[mellors]

They've not helped there situation crashing across farms they have no permission on and openly chasing and killing foxes. 

Most of them think they can do what they like as they've always done. 

 

 

 

[Miserableolgit]

2 hours ago, mellors said:

They've not helped there situation crashing across farms they have no permission on and openly chasing and killing foxes. 

Most of them think they can do what they like as they've always done. 

 

 

 

Do they, how do you know that is what 'most of them think'?

[Miserableolgit]

My family and I were among the 400,000 that took part in the Liberty & Livelihood march in London back in 2002 and health permitting I would do so again. I'm somewhat disappointed to read some of the language used in this thread but simply do not have time nor energy to enter a debate into mounted fox hunting. Lord I remember taking part in such conversations and debates when I was in my teens and that was more years ago than I care to remember. The Hunting Act [England & Wales] was passed in 2004 - sorted.

[old man]

5 hours ago, Penelope said:

I never said it was, but equaly on what planet is it ok to hammer along a mountain bike on a track used by walkers, thinking it's your own private race track? It's downright reckless and dangerous.

Sponsored by the Forestry commission here. Stuff the wildlife and walkers, just go ape and cause absolute chaos? A big earner charging for car parking on the expanded car park for the lycra lot?

4 hours ago, Gordon R said:

I am not in favour of fox hunting, but it was a British tradition, which has gone. Why do the antis never target halal slaughter?

Religion.