Arla milk quality

[old man]

13 hours ago, Yellow Bear said:

I suspect this is a further red herring from the vegan activists attempting to discredit dairy.   Shouty minority again with a dopey agenda on social media.

Spot on!

[ShootingEgg]

9 hours ago, bruno22rf said:

If you could ask that would be helpful 👍.

The answer I got

 

Bovear is not an organic certified product, Arla are using it on conventional farms and not organic. Anything under the Yeo Valley Organic brand will not contain it!

 

So even though Arla do own the licence for our milk, butter and cheese, they are still

Organic products and will not contain it.

Edited December 11 by ShootingEgg

[bruno22rf]

1 minute ago, ShootingEgg said:

The answer I got

 

Bovear is not an organic certified product, Arla are using it on conventional farms and not organic. Anything under the Yeo Valley Organic brand will not contain it!

Thank you, had a quick research though and found that Yeo Valley is now a collection of 130 farms!!

[ShootingEgg]

1 minute ago, bruno22rf said:

Thank you, had a quick research though and found that Yeo Valley is now a collection of 130 farms!!

They contract out to get the milk they will need to produce their products.

 

Lye cross cheesemakers have multiple farms they get milk from again no bovear or similar is used by them 

[twelsh]

This best milk by far fresh from machine outside the farm

[oowee]

9 hours ago, 39TDS said:

"GWP* shows no additional warming has occurred from UK methane emissions over the last 20 years"

Taken from the ADHB press release from Monday 2nd December 2024

https://ahdb.org.uk/news/bovaer-debate-highlights-evidence-is-key-in-tackling-emissions-challenge

Thanks for that. It's really interesting to see how the data is being used in farming. 

It's recognised that methane is a significant gas for driving climate change as described by NASA. Because the methane production from the UK is on a downward curve, using a 20 year measure, then it's inferred that there is no impact from UK emissions, which is also true.

It's a bit of a false (disjunctive) claim don't you think? Accepting methane is a problem for warming, and the role played by animals but because the gas is declining in the area they are farmed suggesting its not a problem. It just shows how complex all this stuff is. 

[ShootingEgg]

41 minutes ago, bruno22rf said:

Thank you, had a quick research though and found that Yeo Valley is now a collection of 130 farms!!

In short Yeo valley products do NOT use milk from farms using bovear 👍🏻

[oowee]

4 minutes ago, ShootingEgg said:

In short Yeo valley products do NOT use milk from farms using bovear 👍🏻

I have a lot of time for Yeo valley ethos. The guy that runs it is a big supporter of the locality. Did you see they purchased the bottom of Burrington gorge and then afforded the local bike shop a discount deal to keep them there. Exactly what we want from a local business.

Their web site talks about tackling methane organically which must be a more sustainable way forward.

In 2018, we granted Arla the rights to pack milk, butter and cheese in the UK, supplied by their British organic farmers. The partnership with Arla organic farmers means that we are well placed to continue to grow the organic milk market, while remaining a privately owned family business.

[39TDS]

2 hours ago, oowee said:

Thanks for that. It's really interesting to see how the data is being used in farming. 

It's recognised that methane is a significant gas for driving climate change as described by NASA. Because the methane production from the UK is on a downward curve, using a 20 year measure, then it's inferred that there is no impact from UK emissions, which is also true.

It's a bit of a false (disjunctive) claim don't you think? Accepting methane is a problem for warming, and the role played by animals but because the gas is declining in the area they are farmed suggesting its not a problem. It just shows how complex all this stuff is. 

Are you aware of GWP100 and GWP*, how they are used and the difference between the two?

Using GWP* when measuring cow methane is a more accurate approach and shows pretty well that cows are not the problem. It doesn't take a genius to see that but it is very convenient to point at cows and distract people from planes, shipping, and the oil industry in general.

What will happen with this food additive is that farmers will eventually be charged for it, it will be made mandatory (already is in Denmark I believe), the factories making the stuff will be making a good profit which the farmers will be paying for. The dairy processing industry (not the bit that the farmers are part of) will be claiming the carbon credits for this and either using them to say they are a carbon neutral industry or selling them to industries such as the airlines who can then claim they are carbon neutral and it is the cows that are the problem.

All part of the global greenwashing scam we are being suckered into.

It is quite difficult to say these things without appearing as a conspiracy theorist of the tinfoil hat brigade but try picking out any of the above that isn't true.

[oowee]

35 minutes ago, 39TDS said:

Are you aware of GWP100 and GWP*, how they are used and the difference between the two?

Using GWP* when measuring cow methane is a more accurate approach and shows pretty well that cows are not the problem. It doesn't take a genius to see that but it is very convenient to point at cows and distract people from planes, shipping, and the oil industry in general.

What will happen with this food additive is that farmers will eventually be charged for it, it will be made mandatory (already is in Denmark I believe), the factories making the stuff will be making a good profit which the farmers will be paying for. The dairy processing industry (not the bit that the farmers are part of) will be claiming the carbon credits for this and either using them to say they are a carbon neutral industry or selling them to industries such as the airlines who can then claim they are carbon neutral and it is the cows that are the problem.

All part of the global greenwashing scam we are being suckered into.

It is quite difficult to say these things without appearing as a conspiracy theorist of the tinfoil hat brigade but try picking out any of the above that isn't true.

I am now thank you. 👍 I found this link which after a few repeat reads explains it fairly well. Given what is pointed out here I wonder why then the drive for these additives? Are we missing something?

https://clear.ucdavis.edu/explainers/gwp-star-better-way-measuring-methane-and-how-it-impacts-global-temperatures

[islandgun]

42 minutes ago, 39TDS said:

Are you aware of GWP100 and GWP*, how they are used and the difference between the two?

Using GWP* when measuring cow methane is a more accurate approach and shows pretty well that cows are not the problem. It doesn't take a genius to see that but it is very convenient to point at cows and distract people from planes, shipping, and the oil industry in general.

What will happen with this food additive is that farmers will eventually be charged for it, it will be made mandatory (already is in Denmark I believe), the factories making the stuff will be making a good profit which the farmers will be paying for. The dairy processing industry (not the bit that the farmers are part of) will be claiming the carbon credits for this and either using them to say they are a carbon neutral industry or selling them to industries such as the airlines who can then claim they are carbon neutral and it is the cows that are the problem.

All part of the global greenwashing scam we are being suckered into.

It is quite difficult to say these things without appearing as a conspiracy theorist of the tinfoil hat brigade but try picking out any of the above that isn't true.

All makes perfect sense. Do Amazon have tinfoil hats ?

[Vince Green]

3 hours ago, oowee said:

Thanks for that. It's really interesting to see how the data is being used in farming. 

It's recognised that methane is a significant gas for driving climate change as described by NASA. Because the methane production from the UK is on a downward curve, using a 20 year measure, then it's inferred that there is no impact from UK emissions, which is also true.

It's a bit of a false (disjunctive) claim don't you think? Accepting methane is a problem for warming, and the role played by animals but because the gas is declining in the area they are farmed suggesting its not a problem. It just shows how complex all this stuff is. 

Wetlands around the world produce 78% of the world's methane and the sea produces another 10%

As usual the animal activists distort the statistics  or just pluck them out of thin air to suit their own purposes.  It has been suggested that landfill sites are probably the biggest source of 'man made' methane in UK not agriculture and the best way to address that would be to reduce food waste.

But all the global warming activists want to keep banging on about are cows, cows, cows

[Dave-G]

12 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

Wetlands around the world produce 78% of the world's methane and the sea produces another 10%

As usual the animal activists distort the statistics  or just pluck them out of thin air to suit their own purposes.  It has been suggested that landfill sites are probably the biggest source of 'man made' methane in UK not agriculture and the best way to address that would be to reduce food waste.

But all the global warming activists want to keep banging on about are cows, cows, cows

Perhaps they're all vegans too

[oowee]

14 minutes ago, Vince Green said:

Wetlands around the world produce 78% of the world's methane and the sea produces another 10%

As usual the animal activists distort the statistics  or just pluck them out of thin air to suit their own purposes.  It has been suggested that landfill sites are probably the biggest source of 'man made' methane in UK not agriculture and the best way to address that would be to reduce food waste.

But all the global warming activists want to keep banging on about are cows, cows, cows

Animal activist's get in the way of real science 😁

[Nial]

6 hours ago, oowee said:

Thanks for that. It's really interesting to see how the data is being used in farming. 

It's recognised that methane is a significant gas for driving climate change as described by NASA. Because the methane production from the UK is on a downward curve, using a 20 year measure, then it's inferred that there is no impact from UK emissions, which is also true.

It's a bit of a false (disjunctive) claim don't you think? Accepting methane is a problem for warming, and the role played by animals but because the gas is declining in the area they are farmed suggesting its not a problem. It just shows how complex all this stuff is. 

The effect of each gas reaches a level where it saturates and adding more doesn't make any difference.

Methane concentrations are well past that point (AUIUI).

Talking about plucking things out of thin air, "Science Shock: U.K. Met Office is “Inventing” Temperature Data from 100 Non-Existent Stations", this is 1/3 of their sites in the UK.....

https://dailysceptic.org/2024/11/05/science-shock-u-k-met-office-is-inventing-temperature-data-from-100-non-existent-stations/?highlight=met office

 

[old man]

20 minutes ago, Nial said:

The effect of each gas reaches a level where it saturates and adding more doesn't make any difference.

Methane concentrations are well past that point (AUIUI).

Talking about plucking things out of thin air, "Science Shock: U.K. Met Office is “Inventing” Temperature Data from 100 Non-Existent Stations", this is 1/3 of their sites in the UK.....

https://dailysceptic.org/2024/11/05/science-shock-u-k-met-office-is-inventing-temperature-data-from-100-non-existent-stations/?highlight=met office

 

Thank you for the information. 

Just superb, more disinformation?

[Yellow Bear]

8 minutes ago, old man said:

Just superb, more disinformation?

Civil service again

[Nial]

4 hours ago, old man said:

Thank you for the information. 

Just superb, more disinformation?

Yes, it's all scare mongering b0110cks.

If anyone mentions NASA / NOAA point them here, it's a 12 minute video but shows how they have been 'adjusting' historic data to make it look

much worse than reality.

https://realclimatescience.com/2022/11/nasa-noaa-us-data-tampering/#gsc.tab=0

 

 

 

[old man]

11 hours ago, Nial said:

Yes, it's all scare mongering b0110cks.

If anyone mentions NASA / NOAA point them here, it's a 12 minute video but shows how they have been 'adjusting' historic data to make it look

much worse than reality.

https://realclimatescience.com/2022/11/nasa-noaa-us-data-tampering/#gsc.tab=0

 

 

 

It certainly seems to be the way in our version of democracy that any of the ones who want to subvert any situation relating to the population for any reason do so with impunity? 

 

[12gauge82]

5 hours ago, old man said:

It certainly seems to be the way in our version of democracy that any of the ones who want to subvert any situation relating to the population for any reason do so with impunity? 

 

This is absolutely correct. There are some very wide ranging and serious issues that have been forced on the UK over the last few decades and there has been no discussion, no mandate and no choice for the voting public to stop any of it. In fact, there has been a conspiracy from both main parties to pretend we have a choice, when in reality they've forced radical change on us all. 

The only way to stop that happening is to vote for a different party. Labour and the Conservatives have proven time and time again they are liars, full of promises, with absolutely no intention of delivering. 

[old man]

7 minutes ago, 12gauge82 said:

This is absolutely correct. There are some very wide ranging and serious issues that have been forced on the UK over the last few decades and there has been no discussion, no mandate and no choice for the voting public to stop any of it. In fact, there has been a conspiracy from both main parties to pretend we have a choice, when in reality they've forced radical change on us all. 

The only way to stop that happening is to vote for a different party. Labour and the Conservatives have proven time and time again they are liars, full of promises, with absolutely no intention of delivering. 

None of the main 4 will ever get one from me.

We need real change that values the plebians?

[Jonty]

An ironic offshoot of this emissions additive thing is that the Arla dairy in my local town of Settle has been producing a foul smell across the town for the last year.  On a bad day the town really does stink.  Arla claim to be trying to resolve the issue, but as yet to no avail.  It would be great if they could sort out their own factory emissions before taking on the cows.