Trump and Zelensky Oval Office meeting

[yickdaz]

3 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

Seems like you skipped 8 pages and related an entirely different topic back to the only one that seems to matter to some.

If y’all seriously can’t see the distinction between defending Ukraine’s border vs our illegal immigrant issue nor why it was less relevant when Ukrainians were killing Ukrainians then might we also reasonably assume you, like Trump, also don’t know the difference between rare and raw earth materials as well as transgenic and transgender?

And Greenland might have to protect its borders from a Trump invasion we gotta have it we will have it by any means necessary his words at the Congress speech the other night 

[JohnfromUK]

Maybe the 'deal' is;

Trump gives Russia a good part of what they want in Ukraine (but leaving some minerals for him

In return, Russia doesn't oppose (other than token words) Trump in Greenland?

[NoBodyImportant]

1 hour ago, yickdaz said:

And Greenland might have to protect its borders from a Trump invasion we gotta have it we will have it by any means necessary his words at the Congress speech the other night 

Yeah, Greenland/denmark went from your not expanding missile intercept operations in Greenland to We are willing to work with the US on it real quick.  

[NoBodyImportant]

Video from 2014, This was a protest in Kiev because The Ukrainian government was killing civilians in Donetsk and Luhansk. Just happened in across my feed today and I was reminded of this thread https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGTLy7AoQwh/?igsh=MWxrbzlocmN5MmR1Yg==

[yickdaz]

47 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said:

Yeah, Greenland/denmark went from your not expanding missile intercept operations in Greenland to We are willing to work with the US on it real quick.  

Better to work with them than have your country taken over by them

[yickdaz]

47 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said:

Video from 2014, This was a protest in Kiev because The Ukrainian government was killing civilians in Donetsk and Luhansk. Just happened in across my feed today and I was reminded of this thread https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGTLy7AoQwh/?igsh=MWxrbzlocmN5MmR1Yg==

How many civilians have been killed by Russian missiles in the last 3 years since they INVADED ukraine

[Newbie to this]

18 minutes ago, yickdaz said:

How many civilians have been killed by Russian missiles in the last 3 years since they INVADED ukraine

This is what happens when bringing freedom and democracy, just ask the iraqis and Afghans. And just look how well they turned out.

Edited Friday at 10:49 by Newbie to this

[Mice!]

5 hours ago, Raja Clavata said:

Seems like you skipped 8 pages and related an entirely different topic back to the only one that seems to matter to some.

If y’all seriously can’t see the distinction between defending Ukraine’s border vs our illegal immigrant issue nor why it was less relevant when Ukrainians were killing Ukrainians then might we also reasonably assume you, like Trump, also don’t know the difference between rare and raw earth materials as well as transgenic and transgender?

Seemed to me like most comments were to do with simply not liking Trump, given Biden did pretty much nothing while in office I find this very funny.

Given how slow the forum is running I wasn't wading through 8 pages of the same, just getting to this was painful. 

From what I can see America have been pouring money into Ukraine, there was always going to be a cost to pay.

As for our borders and Ukraines, it doesn't seem like Labour care less about ours, or our old folk, while virtue signalling about the Ukraine comes easily as well as sending money and aid.

[Rem260]

For those who think Putin is a nice guy who was pushed by the west. I suggest they have a look at this documentary 

https://www.history.co.uk/shows/kursk

It shows the Russian propensity to lie and amongst other things Putin being asked about the loss of the Kursk. He simply replied with a smirk.  

"It Sank"

Totally reprehensible given that 118 Russian submariners lost their lives.

[NoBodyImportant]

2 hours ago, yickdaz said:

Better to work with them than have your country taken over by them

Exactly, America will expand missiles intercept capability in Greenland.  That not on the negotiating table.  

[Jega]

29 minutes ago, NoBodyImportant said:

Exactly, America will expand missiles intercept capability in Greenland.  That not on the negotiating table.  

At the moment Greenland isn't posing any sort of threat to anyone , once the good old U.S.A. moves in it becomes a target .

[Rewulf]

5 minutes ago, Jega said:

At the moment Greenland isn't posing any sort of threat to anyone , once the good old U.S.A. moves in it becomes a target .

Err, theyve been there with a base (Thule) for 70 years !
They used to station strategic nuclear bombers there, and also built a vast network of ice caves for launching nukes, ergo, theyve been 'under threat' for a long time.
There 50,000 Greenlanders in total, give them a million bucks a piece ($50 billion) and they will be very happy I reckon.

Edited Friday at 13:31 by Rewulf

[yickdaz]

4 hours ago, JohnfromUK said:

Maybe the 'deal' is;

Trump gives Russia a good part of what they want in Ukraine (but leaving some minerals for him

In return, Russia doesn't oppose (other than token words) Trump in Greenland?

Did zelensky not get a draft or was he even briefed of what was on the table before he went into the oval office it looked to me that they wanted him to sign a deal without looking at the small print....there you go deal signed now you have to give Russia part of your country you shouldda read the small print dummy

[Mice!]

1 hour ago, Rem260 said:

For those who think Putin is a nice guy who was pushed by the west. I

Not sure anyone thinks Putin is a nice guy.

[Gordon R]

The media seems to suggest Zelensky was ready to sign, but had a meeting with some Democrats beforehand and changed his mind. 

I would be interested in views on the European meetings.

Whether you agree with Trump or not, Zelensky is reported as now willing to sign the agreement. Meanwhile Starmer and Macron seem to be organising meetings with the sole purpose of undermining Trump. France boasts about giving Europe a nuclear umbrella and others boasts that a combined Europe could beat Russia. Slight problems insofar as Europe is far from unanimous in this - only France and the UK seem to partially agree. After years of failing to meet their NATO obligations, now money appears. If they had stuck to the agreement, we wouldn't be in the position we are now in. 

The meetings appear to be solely for Starmer, Macron and van der Leyen to grab the spotlight, after moaning that they were excluded from Ukraine talks.

Mice - got to agree. Whilst some offer explanations as to why he has acted as he has, I don't recall anyone actually praising him . I wouldn't and I see no-one else doing it.

Edited Friday at 14:08 by Gordon R

[Rem260]

1 hour ago, Mice! said:

Not sure anyone thinks Putin is a nice guy.

OK. Maybe I should have said the victim of western propaganda depicting him as the bad guy.

He is a cold calculating killer who only thinks of himself. He does not care for the common Russian and is willing to waste thier lives for his own prestige. He will seize on any pretence to achieve his goal.

Edited Friday at 15:31 by Rem260

[Mice!]

51 minutes ago, Rem260 said:

OK. Maybe I should have said the victim of western propaganda depicting him as the bad guy.

He is a cold calculating killer who only thinks of himself. He does not care for the common Russian and is willing to waste thier lives for his own prestige. He will seize on any pretence to achieve his goal.

I doubt any leader before him has been any different though.

The propaganda always suits one side, but that doesn't mean it's accurate. 

The Russians were pegged back after WW2, there's been constant trouble in the middle East thanks to oil and other minerals and its always America,  Russia and China at the forefront as there the biggest players involved,  we just get taken along for the ride now. I wouldn't say it ever really benefits the people living there, Afghanistan, Iraq,  Syria the list goes on.

China are growing and at some point they're going to decide they need to expand, its going to be very ugly and I doubt there's much that other countries can do about it.

That for me is what Russia is doing, they new nobody was going to directly stop them, used what was going on in the Ukraine as an excuse and made there move.

[janner]

On 07/03/2025 at 09:09, JohnfromUK said:

Maybe the 'deal' is;

Trump gives Russia a good part of what they want in Ukraine (but leaving some minerals for him

In return, Russia doesn't oppose (other than token words) Trump in Greenland?

 Good call, There are already propaganda articles appearing saying that the native Greenlanders want to be part of the u.s, i would suggest that there are u.s sponsered fith columnists on the ground by now also.

Edited 3 hours ago by janner

[Rewulf]

17 minutes ago, janner said:

 Good call, There are already propaganda articles appearing saying that the native Greenlanders want to be part of the u.s, i would suggest that there are u.s sponsered fith columnists on the ground by now also.

I know right, the Greenlanders can oppose joining the US, and continue eeking out a living processing seal blubber, or they can get a fat payout and live wherever they like, including staying in Greenland, and having the benefits of US citizenship.

It's a no brainer 🤣

[janner]

At the moment they are e.u citizens and can live visa free in a darn sight more countries than us ethnic Brits can. (if they wanted to),

Their culture and history is very important to them, 

As is the untold wealth of mineral deposits that the melting ice sheets will make economic to exploit, 

Edited 2 hours ago by janner

[old man]

20 minutes ago, Rewulf said:

I know right, the Greenlanders can oppose joining the US, and continue eeking out a living processing seal blubber, or they can get a fat payout and live wherever they like, including staying in Greenland, and having the benefits of US citizenship.

It's a no brainer 🤣

Hopefully they don't sell their souls to the devil?

[islandgun]

1 hour ago, old man said:

Hopefully they don't sell their souls to the devil?

Its a weird thing now. dont go to war just buy the country. when the minerals have gone buy another one

[old man]

14 minutes ago, islandgun said:

Its a weird thing now. dont go to war just buy the country. when the minerals have gone buy another one

That's true, I wonder where it will end?

[islandgun]

26 minutes ago, old man said:

That's true, I wonder where it will end?

the richer you get the more you buy, eventually own the world, only to find that rebels in every bought country err.....rebel 😊