No prison for buying or selling firearms without licence...

[Dave-G]

Amazing but apparently true: 

Leicester pensioner avoids prison after illegally buying and selling firearms - Leicestershire Live

[eggy74]

***, ive had bigger speeding fines!

[Dougy]

Makes me laugh in despair reading these, 

 

so what does a previous employment accident and crutches got to do with obtaining and selling firearms without a license  at 65 the guys been on the planet long enough to know you need a shotgun cert . 

 

got an old Baikal in the cabinet its only worth about £50 i might try flogging it down town tonight for £500, i recon with fees i'd still be in pocket. 

[Newbie to this]

So at least three people in breach of the law, and possibly another Police **** up.

 

[enfieldspares]

3 hours ago, Newbie to this said:

So at least three people in breach of the law, and possibly another Police **** up.

 

No. A failure by the magistrates to do their job. And no mention as to if the two guns have been recovered.

[Smudger687]

Not sure why people think he's deserving of prison. No violent acts committed by him with the guns and he's in a bad state physically. 

The British gun owner truly is unique - they're the one group of people that despite having almost every gun right taken from them by the state, still want harsher treatment from the state.

Nationwide Stockholm syndrome 

[old man]

5 hours ago, Smudger687 said:

Not sure why people think he's deserving of prison. No violent acts committed by him with the guns and he's in a bad state physically. 

The British gun owner truly is unique - they're the one group of people that despite having almost every gun right taken from them by the state, still want harsher treatment from the state.

Nationwide Stockholm syndrome 

Maybe you misinterpret here?

No one wants more, we just want fair application of the laws that control our lives?

 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

10 hours ago, Newbie to this said:

So at least three people in breach of the law, and possibly another Police **** up.

Possibly?

Something is VERY wrong with the police and the judiciary.

[Smudger687]

39 minutes ago, old man said:

Maybe you misinterpret here?

No one wants more, we just want fair application of the laws that control our lives?

 

With the number of people here that oppose the removal of the good reason requirement, I think you might be the one misinterpreting. 

[TIGHTCHOKE]

6 hours ago, Smudger687 said:

Not sure why people think he's deserving of prison. No violent acts committed by him with the guns and he's in a bad state physically. 

The British gun owner truly is unique - they're the one group of people that despite having almost every gun right taken from them by the state, still want harsher treatment from the state.

Nationwide Stockholm syndrome 

Really?

7 minutes ago, Smudger687 said:

With the number of people here that oppose the removal of the good reason requirement, I think you might be the one misinterpreting. 

What are you on about?

[old man]

2 minutes ago, Smudger687 said:

With the number of people here that oppose the removal of the good reason requirement, I think you might be the one misinterpreting. 

That's not the same thing?

I don't think I am, by your interpretation his age mitigates? Are older criminals exempt from the law, common sense may give the opposite view?

If this had happened to a legitimate holder the guns held would have been removed immediately? Whether or not they might be returned sooner or later in any condition adds to the problem?

[Smudger687]

7 hours ago, old man said:

That's not the same thing?

I don't think I am, by your interpretation his age mitigates? Are older criminals exempt from the law, common sense may give the opposite view?

If this had happened to a legitimate holder the guns held would have been removed immediately? Whether or not they might be returned sooner or later in any condition adds to the problem?

They're laws imposed on us against our will by tyrants, and despite that you still want to lick their boots. 

I'm glad they didn't throw the book at him, they shouldn't be throwing the book at anyone, and our current gun laws shouldn't exist.

7 hours ago, TIGHTCHOKE said:

Really?

What are you on about?

Yes; and,

The level of resistance I observed on this forum to remove a barrier to owning a rifle, from people on this very forum, was very significant and was the majority opinion.

A nation of bootlickers. 

[old man]

15 minutes ago, Smudger687 said:

They're laws imposed on us against our will by tyrants, and despite that you still want to lick their boots. 

I'm glad they didn't throw the book at him, they shouldn't be throwing the book at anyone, and our current gun laws shouldn't exist.

Yes; and,

The level of resistance I observed on this forum to remove a barrier to owning a rifle, from people on this very forum, was very significant and was the majority opinion.

A nation of bootlickers. 

It does make you bite your fingers at times to comply but not had to lick any boots yet?

Tyrants, possibly but they have the power and inclination?

I would prefer a second ammendment but we haven't and are not ever going to have one.

There are only two certainties, our situation will get worse by design and we will all pass on to oblivion?

 

Edited 21 hours ago by old man

[Smudger687]

9 minutes ago, old man said:

It does make you bite your fingers at times to comply but not had to lick any boots yet?

Tyrants, possibly but they have the power and inclination?

I would prefer a second ammendment but we haven't and are not ever going to have one.

There are only two certainties, our situation will get worse by design and we will all pass on to oblivion?

 

We did have a second amendment. In the early 1900s we could own anything we wanted without a license. Stark contrast to today 

[old man]

Thanks. Had heard of that, must look it up and find out who was behind its removal,

Edited 20 hours ago by old man

[Gordon R]

I despair when someone suggests he shouldn't have gone to prison. He knew what he was doing and sold them on to another non licence holder without a second thought. 

Did he consider why the buyer might want an off ticket gun. 

Five years would have been about right.

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They're laws imposed on us against our will by tyrants, and despite that you still want to lick their boots. 

I'm glad they didn't throw the book at him, they shouldn't be throwing the book at anyone, and our current gun laws shouldn't exist.

 

When I read that I thought it must be the first of April. Lunacy at its finest.

[Scully]

It doesn’t say what happened to the license holder who sold the guns to Plant, knowing he wasn’t a ticket holder. 🤷‍♂️

[Flyboy1950]

16 hours ago, Smudger687 said:

Not sure why people think he's deserving of prison. No violent acts committed by him with the guns and he's in a bad state physically. 

The British gun owner truly is unique - they're the one group of people that despite having almost every gun right taken from them by the state, still want harsher treatment from the state.

Nationwide Stockholm syndrome 

Do tell, what are our gun rights? What have we left?  Gun ownership in this country is a privilege not a right.

FB.

[enfieldspares]

3 hours ago, Smudger687 said:

We did have a second amendment. In the early 1900s we could own anything we wanted without a license. Stark contrast to today 

And who introduced the first attempts at a law to remove that right? Answers on a postcard to Winston Churchill, Home Secretary. And at the same time resisting calls to refuse entry to Britain by so called "political refugees" who then turned out to be violent anarchist terrorists? Such that at the now mostly forgotten "Siege of Sidney Street" so that when he turned up to watch the crowd were calling out "It was him that let them in!" Answers on the same earlier postcard. Take 1940 and WWII out of the equation and Winston Churchill is a very different man from the man that ensured that alone and for a year this nation and its overseas lands held the line against Nazism.

Edited 18 hours ago by enfieldspares

[Newbie to this]

2 hours ago, Scully said:

It doesn’t say what happened to the license holder who sold the guns to Plant, knowing he wasn’t a ticket holder. 🤷‍♂️

Yep, the first one to break the law, either that or they sold them to someone with one of these many fake certificates, we hear about, and the police failed to follow up when he informed them of the sale.

[Scully]

50 minutes ago, enfieldspares said:

And who introduced the first attempts at a law to remove that right? Answers on a postcard to Winston Churchill, Home Secretary. And at the same time resisting calls to refuse entry to Britain by so called "political refugees" who then turned out to be violent anarchist terrorists? Such that at the now mostly forgotten "Siege of Sidney Street" so that when he turned up to watch the crowd were calling out "It was him that let them in!" Answers on the same earlier postcard. Take 1940 and WWII out of the equation and Winston Churchill is a very different man from the man that ensured that alone and for a year this nation and its overseas lands held the line against Nazism.

I thought Churchill was First Lord of the Admiralty towards the end of the Great War, and it was LLOYD George, the Liberal Prime Minister of the time, who tightened and restricted freedoms to own firearms in this country in response to fears that the revolution in Russian could happen in Great Britain. 

22 minutes ago, Newbie to this said:

Yep, the first one to break the law, either that or they sold them to someone with one of these many fake certificates, we hear about, and the police failed to follow up when he informed them of the sale.

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[Dave-G]

I posted this in respect of Leic's firearms presumably checking what's happened after a failure to renew.

I sold a shotgun and FAC air last week and notified them but only received automated acknowledgement that an email was received - they have not notified me that they are aware of the changed ownership. ... Thinking I need to call them and hope I can get a notification of the change being recorded.

Edited 16 hours ago by Dave-G

[wymberley]

4 minutes ago, Dave-G said:

Thinking I need to call them and hope I can get a notification of the change being recorded

Why? You've done what you're supposed to. If the powers that be wanted you to do anything else you can rest assured that you'd (we) have been told. Just keep a copy of your notification and their, albeit automated, response.

[Smudger687]

2 hours ago, enfieldspares said:

And who introduced the first attempts at a law to remove that right? Answers on a postcard to Winston Churchill, Home Secretary. And at the same time resisting calls to refuse entry to Britain by so called "political refugees" who then turned out to be violent anarchist terrorists? Such that at the now mostly forgotten "Siege of Sidney Street" so that when he turned up to watch the crowd were calling out "It was him that let them in!" Answers on the same earlier postcard. Take 1940 and WWII out of the equation and Winston Churchill is a very different man from the man that ensured that alone and for a year this nation and its overseas lands held the line against Nazism.

I agree. Manufacture a problem then strip people of their rights and market it as being the only solution. Hegelian dialect in action. 

2 hours ago, Flyboy1950 said:

Do tell, what are our gun rights? What have we left?  Gun ownership in this country is a privilege not a right.

FB.

That's my point, we don't have any gun rights. And even the idea to most people here of making guns easier to acquire is anathema. It's bizarre

[enfieldspares]

1 hour ago, Scully said:

I thought Churchill was First Lord of the Admiralty towards the end of the Great War, and it was LLOYD George, the Liberal Prime Minister of the time, who tightened and restricted freedoms to own firearms in this country in response to fears that the revolution in Russian could happen in Great Britain. 

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No before that. The Pistols Bill of 1911 introduced by Churchill as Home Secretary which ultimately failed due, I think, to the general election that ended all legislation that was still in progress.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/1911-04-26/debates/5f2707fc-2af9-4784-9101-137be691b0b2/PistolsBill

And this which could almost have been verbatim Michael Howard or Jack Straw when the 1996 handgun ban was debated.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/1911-04-18/debates/171fb463-02f3-4afd-ab32-18e8d4c7cdad/Aliens(PreventionOfCrime)

Mr. CHURCHILL

A knife is not a firearm. Guns and rifles are used for sport, and obviously can be seen when in persons' hands, but pistols are easily carried concealed, and are used for one purpose only, and that one purpose is the destruction of human life. And every month that passes these weapons become more dangerous and deadly both to the general public and to those who use them.

Edited 15 hours ago by enfieldspares