Fishleigh Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 bought 750 DJ cartridges for a fun clay shoot at mine. out of these 40 didnt go off, my guns reasonably new hasnt even put 500 carts through it yet and they wouldnt fire in that or the lanber so its not the gun its the cart! its not them not working its the danger factor of having them being hit with the firering pin and not going off. what can i do? write a letter to DJ or would they not give a S$%*! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatcatsplat Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 I tend not to use them cos you need to descale your barrels afterwards, but they do usually fire pretty well - You may have a "dodgy batch" in which case you have 2 options: 1) Fire them again, just in case or 2) Take em back to the RFD wot flogged 'em to you Dodgy batch is in inverted commas as it gets mentioned here a bit but, as yet, i have not had the pleasure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 DJ = Dirty Jammers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 probably just hard caps you can get a bad batch of them in any shells.you may find they are ok in a different gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throdgrain Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 I bought some plaswads in 7.5 to try a while back, after 3 had jammed in my gun so badly I had to dismantle to remove them, I gave up. I'll never buy them again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 D & Js are one of the few cartridges that I've never had a misfire with, and I've used thousands of them. I also never found they were particularly dirty, there's plenty worse. I don't use them now, purely because they're not particularly cheap any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 I had the same with hull x yesterday...only carts my cynergy has ever refused to make go bang, mung had some that didnt too and he was using a blaser....wont use them again....****!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick1964 Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 I've had the same problem with Eley Firsts. I sent the whole slab back to Eley (in November) and despite politely chasing them up a couple of times I've heard nothing back. If I were you I'd either take the whole lot back to the shop and ask for a full refund, or contact D&J directly, but politely. It's a safety issue, they absolutely have to take it seriously IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy H Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 I also bought a slab of plastic 7.5s and had 9 fail to extract out of a box of 25 in my browning A5 , A fellow shooter also had 6 jam in his hatsan pump so hard that i had to use a cleaning rod down the barrel and tap the empty case out while he tried to cycle the action , also another had 2 jam in his miroku , 1 in his top barrel then about 3 clays later one in the bottom barrel , the ejector fired but slipped by the empty cartridges rim leaving it in the chamber (out with the cleaning rod again), In all my years of shooting i have never seen any one particular make of cartridge cause so many problems as D&J. The manufacturing process for d&j must have a problem in the quality department ie: the components they buy in . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinxy72 Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 (edited) I had the same with hull x yesterday...only carts my cynergy has ever refused to make go bang, mung had some that didnt too and he was using a blaser....wont use them again....****!!! funny u should say this elvis .... i swear by comp x and use the 21's in my fabarm stl all the time without any probs ... went shooting today and needed some carts .. ground ran out of 21's so bought some comp x 28's .... used them before but in a lanber i had without a prob ...... well not today ..... for some reason, maybe bad batch dunno, i had probs firing some from my second barrel ... seemed as if they were under-powered and hadnt set the inertia for the second barrel. Edited December 29, 2008 by jinxy72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Elvis Posted December 29, 2008 Report Share Posted December 29, 2008 i think they are hard primers and maybe your second barrel spring is weaker...i actually had a firing pin and spring renewed in one of my guns...made no difference.....will not use hulls again of any description !!! I have used several thousand eley firsts and never had a bad one!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salopian Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 (edited) D&J's are Express entry level cartridges.Loaded out of cheaper components to try and make a cheap cartridge.I have noticed that one of my guns has problems with Express cartridges slipping past the ejector, doesn't happen with any other make. If you have a problem with 'fail to fire' and the primer has been lightly struck try loading the offending shell into the other barrel (usually the top barrel) this usually cures it because the top barrel hammer delivers a stronger blow to the primer thanks to the longer operational throw of the top barrel hammer. Most cartridges suffer from occassional quality issues but I do have to say that Eley are dreadful, poor quality and dreadful after sales service. (Non -existant) Edited December 30, 2008 by Salopian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenhunter Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 I've just bought a slab of D&J's. Not opened it yet but moved it today and could hear rattling in the box, like shot rolling about If the build quality is low then it looks like I'll be having fun as my 391 doesn't seem to like cheapies much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 It amazes me that people will insist on buying the cheapest cartridges they can find, and then expect the best of performance from them. Cartridges are a bit like wine, The cheapest is cheap, but spend only a little more money and there a disproportionate increase in quality Is it really worth saving £10 /20 a thousand, then being disappointed. As mentioned DJ are Express's budget cartridge, not sold under the same name as they dont want to undermine their quality image within the Express brand - but if you buy HVE 24g you will get a super cartridge for much the same money as the DJ 28g, and you will be impressed with the superior performance and reliability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulos Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 It amazes me that people will insist on buying the cheapest cartridges they can find, and then expect the best of performance from them. Cartridges are a bit like wine, The cheapest is cheap, but spend only a little more money and there a disproportionate increase in quality Is it really worth saving £10 /20 a thousand, then being disappointed. As mentioned DJ are Express's budget cartridge, not sold under the same name as they dont want to undermine their quality image within the Express brand - but if you buy HVE 24g you will get a super cartridge for much the same money as the DJ 28g, and you will be impressed with the superior performance and reliability. Amen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 now i have bought d@j carts found them good,would buy more but cant get them round here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windknot Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 There's a place in Bridgwater that sells them (Kingstonwell Game & Sporting Services) . Avalon Guns used to have them, might still do for all I know. I went through 50 earlier in the year. More than enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Posted December 31, 2008 Report Share Posted December 31, 2008 "So ya pay's ya monney and takes ya choice!" You never know when you have a hard primer until it goes click. So make the replacement of firing pin/hammer springs a must on servicing. Talking about servicing I have been to numerous auctions and the neglected and abused condition of some of the guns there is unbelievable. (some years back I seen a Lamber struggle to make £40. it looked as if it had been in a cement mixer for an hour!) Faulty ejection on pumps and semi autos is either poorly compressed head on cartridge, or worn ejector claw, replace this on servicing, and sort batches of cartridges for well formed heads. I'm off for a drink so cheers, and happy new year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunboot Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 I sell Hull on my shoot and the compx 21's are very popular I have sold approx 40,000 and have not had any complaints regarding misfires however most autos dont like them because there isnt enough presure to cycle them. Its true you get what you pay for but we all want a bargain. Hull Pro Fibre 24's or 28's are an excellent cartridge but at a cost! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topguns Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 DJs tried them after winning 1000, got through 200 & found them to be all over the place, still shoot with some guys that use them, there scores are all over the place too, I waz told they are a mix of express, never had one not fire in my gun but see others that do, olympic trap r good £130 for a 1000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topguns Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 well said mr owl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POW! Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 In all the time I have been shooting I have untill last week end only had a handfull thet never fired , At our famliy clay shoot on sunday , four failed to fire , despite a second try . [ I know!!] , They were .... Eyley First !! For over 20 years I have used Winchester super speed , of late Gamebore , it seems only the cheaper end cartridges are stocked , obviously they sell better , "" The quality remains long after the price is forgotten !! " an old saying but , one thet is remarkably true , I have been out to a local farm to help foxing tonight , hense my lateness , we left some poultry carcases out , earlier , NOT a sighting , " They know your there" . What other hobby is this unpredictable , or adictive , to sit in a freezing 4x4 , minus 1 , for a couple of hours , Its worse than being in LOVE!!! POW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
humperdingle Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 I used to use D&Js when I first started on the clays simply because my skill level wasn't going to show up the poorness of any cartridge, and the fact I was going through 1000s very quickly so needed a cheap banger. Can't say I had ANY misfires at all. I did, however, find D&Js to be extremely smoky when fired, and fouled barrels badly. Also, on semi automatics, they seem to gunk up the innards much more than cleaner burning alternatives. I won't use them any more, and find Gamebore much better generally, or Lyalvale HV. As someone has mentioned, spend the £10-£15 per thousand extra and get a much better cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick1964 Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 A couple of posters have mentioned HVE 24g carts. I can find Express HV 24g, is that the cart you're referring to ? If not, does anyone have a link for these please ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 High Velocity Express is Lyalvale's entry level cartridge. Their red cased 24g is a great favorite of coaches and corporate shoots. Very reliable, reasonably fast ( 1350fps in 28g and 1400fps in 14g). Available in plastic and fibre. In a short case so good for most S/S. I use 24g HV for everything. Just come in from E J Churchill today, and been putting in 7/8/9 ex 10 per stand on the grouse butts, high tower and nasty X-ing overheads! Those missed weren't down to the cartridge! I just find no point in paying any more for faster / heavier loads. No more clays break, the hole in you pockets deeper, and you get a sore head! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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