Support for the removal of identity protection of Jon Venables

[bionicle]

According to Sky news he's been recalled due to child porn

 

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[Frenchieboy]

That's a fair comment AXE, maybe I could have chosen my words a little better mate! No harm done though.

According to the news on telly late last night it is no longer a "Chinese Whisper"! A Government Minister (I forget which one) has admitted that he has been arrested in connection with a serious crime, but they are not saying what the exact nature of the crime is!

 

The new identity was given to him to help to protect him and help with his rehabilitation after "those who know best" decided that he was a "reformed charactor" and was no longer a threat to the public. Well, if (And I emphasise the word IF) he is involved in a "serious crime" (As has been admitted on the news last night) it goes to show that they got it seriously wrong and he obviously is still a threat to the public and is now back where he truly belongs!

 

While I detest what those two did to little Jamie Bulger I do not think that a witch hunt is the solution, anyway I thing Venebles has now made a rod for his own back here!

[kdubya]

Aint it great the news media "acting in the public interest" er make that get the ill educated hordes to buy? look at the Avram Grant story and his visit to a brothel, it was put out as a public interest story and his wife was duly informed ( purely in her interest) but when she replied good on him he works hard and deserves the odd visit :( the story was dropped like a hot potato.

 

This venables story is just the same, the news media don't give a fig about rights, wrongs or morality, they want to make money, and the baying masses fall for it, and jump on the lynch mob band wagon,and promote inane histeria, so stop worrying what who or where venables is, or what he is doing he is obviously being "controlled as per his license or he would not be back in jail, so for once the system seems to be working.

 

KW

[bicykillgaz]

i don't agree with giving out his name even though he probably deserves it why lower yourselfs to his mentality, but when scum like this are originally convicted regardless of age they should be given the choice serving the rest of there natural life in solitary in prison or death!

even when i was a kid i still knew stoning another child was wrong there obviously just born with that in there make up, so do the decent thing and don't put anyone else at risk just kill after the first offence, job done!

[Billy.]

His identity will never get revealed. The government have a duty of care to ensure that serious offenders are protected from the public after they have served their sentence.

 

Do you honestly believe that the public will carry on its normal life if the information is revealed, or do you think it'll be an all out manhunt? I think you will agree with the latter and that's exactly why the information will stay private.

[pegleg31]

Make your mind up about what?? he failed the criteria of his release on licence, knowing what he done or even what he looks like will not serve the public interest ---- if we or you knew what he had done how would that help the general public, I fail to see what you can make your mind up about??

Don't misunderstand me the crimes he committed with his accomplice were diabolical but we have to put our faith in those we hope know best, myself included like many have loads of opinions, but with this one the majority on this site don't have the qualifications to make the judgements required where he is concerned.

Alan

 

 

what i meant by my post was that if his recall were to be made public then people would fully understand the reason of it(well the somewhat intelligent ones).it's doing no one any favours everyone guessing.like i said in my my previous post he could've been recalled for any number of things.and if you read my post again i said it would help in any way if his identity was released.

 

all the best

 

Russ :(

[Chally2]

You will all be so ****** off if all this press medaling and vigilante protests means he can't be prosecuted. Who will be to blame then. Let the system deal with it.

[starlight32]

I don't know who's worse here.... the media for stirring up this lynch mob mentality or the lynch mob themselves (that's you guys!!!!) what purpose is all this serving..... the only thing releasing his identity will do is probably get him killed.... will that make you all feel better? and if it would, why? what connection do you have to this event 17 years ago..... absolutely none!!

 

I had a look on the facebook group!!!! animals.... there are even groups called "kill Jon Venables" too!!!! I'm surprised that kind of thing hasn't prompted a visit from the Police as it is a death threat. What made me really laugh though is that there are a great number of posts (probably the majority) from people who weren't even born when this happened. They obviously need a scandal in thier lives and don't find the attrocities going on at western hands in the middle east enough to satisfy thier lust for blood!!!! My son was 2 and a half when this happened and we lived just outside and visited Liverpool frequently!

 

The only people who could possibly get anything out of Venables death are Bulgers family and even then, if something did happen they would soon realise that they felt no better for his demise. Two wrongs really don't make a right!!!

 

I'm sick to death of all this speculation. It started off that he was clubbing in Liverpool, then moved on to an assault in the workplace, then a sexual assault and now we are up to kiddie porn..... what the **** get a grip people.... this is none of yours or any one elses business but the probation office, the courts and the police. You have no right to know what(if anything) he has done, it will serve no purpose and is irrelevant. That goes for Jamie's mum too.

 

Punishment was dealt out 17 years ago (whether you agreed with that punishment or not, what did you wan't? to see a pair of ten year olds hanged? trust me, that would have gone down in history as being far mor heinous than the reason for the hanging!) and from the public's perspective that is the end of it, you are not judges, probation officers, the police or involved mental health experts If he has suddenly become a risk to the public again then the system has worked perfectly and he has been taken out of circulation. Have you also thought that it could be someone close to him, who knows his past who has fallen out with him? a word in the right ear, with the right information would have his licence revoked immediately. I also wonder if he is now a threat to society, how much of the blame for that should be placed on the institutions he was incarcerated in and the company he was brought up with during his youth, possibly not the best environment to produce a well rounded, stable person, irrespective of what he had done as a child.

 

Whatever the reason..... IT'S NO ONES BUSINESS BUT THOSE DIRECTLY INVOLVED!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Tell you what though........... the media is getting just what they want!!! thier pockets lined by stirring up a sensational story that, frankly, isn't that sensational at all!!!!

 

 

Pretty well sensational story when they murdered a 2 year old was'nt it?

 

I have just read that load of waffle you wrote above and am a believer that you are a fella who forgives until it only happens to you.

 

Anounce who he is to all and let him spend the rest of his life looking over his shoulder is what I say- That's a pretty good life sentence without bars ist'nt?

 

Retribution is funny thing, it may not be right but it will make a hell of lot of people feel a lot better though would'nt it?

[Vipa]

Retribution is funny thing, it may not be right but it will make a hell of lot of people feel a lot better though wouldn't it?

 

Nice to know you'll be joining the hordes with thier pitchforks and torches on your march to tear him apart! I strongly suggest you do a little research, read the psych evaluations and the interview transcripts as I have, then once you have some real knowledge of the whole case, decide whether you're ready to join your medievil witch Hunt. I guess your response will be, 'can't be ***** reading all that!' trust me, it'll take you quite a lot of time and effort to find and digest the information, then of course we have to assume you are able to understand and apply that info. Chances are though, like so many others on here and elsewhere, you'd prefer to take the easy route and just accept what the tabloid press tell you as being absolutely correct, is moraly correct and requires the actions they proscribe!

 

What have these "hell of a lot of people" got to feel better about? did he do something to any of them? NO, has Denise Fergus commissioned you all to seek revenge on her behalf? NO.

 

You have not been charged by the courts to serve justice by killing him (revealing his identity in the press will surely kill him,) If he is killed, that will then be murder (I bet it won't be done humanely either, so another horrific killing) and you, by joining your lynch mob, will be guilty of aiding and abeting murder. The difference here is that, whilst horrendous, there was little pre-meditation in 1993, almost a prank (and I appologise for using such a triviolising word for such a terrible event but I could think of no better) that went too far. In your case it would be wholy pre-meditated and conducted by adults not children!

 

When this crime was commited he was 10 years old.... Please tell me anywhere in the developed world that would execute a child... I think you will find, nowhere.. He was dealt with as the law saw fit... Now.... since when did we start passing second setences on criminals 17 years after the crime and after sentence has already been pronounced?

 

Please.... Carry on with your life and let the system deal with Jon Venables, which by all respects, it seems to be doing.

 

And for the record, If I thought 'outing' or killing Jon Venables would bring Jamie back or somehow make everything go away I would offer my support but IT WON'T.... IT WILL ONLY MAKE THINGS MUCH, MUCH WORSE!

Edited March 7, 2010 by Vipa

[Mungler]

A lot of money has been wasted on these two - catching them, Court proceedings, locking them up, re-habiliation, new identity and release and now re-arrest..... and so it goes on.

 

I can't but help think that the money could have been better spent elsewhere.

[MPT1]

Viga,

Your reasoning goes over the heads of most Cardboard Vigilantes on here.

 

They have never sinned or ****** in Church even.

 

Their families have never transgressed or dropped a sweet wrapper.

 

They can all cast the first stone without losing sleep.

 

They are pure in heart and mind.

[starlight32]

Nice to know you'll be joining the hordes with thier pitchforks and torches on your march to tear him apart! I strongly suggest you do a little research, read the psych evaluations and the interview transcripts as I have, then once you have some real knowledge of the whole case, decide whether you're ready to join your medievil witch Hunt. I guess your response will be, 'can't be ***** reading all that!' trust me, it'll take you quite a lot of time and effort to find and digest the information, then of course we have to assume you are able to understand and apply that info. Chances are though, like so many others on here and elsewhere, you'd prefer to take the easy route and just accept what the tabloid press tell you as being absolutely correct, is moraly correct and requires the actions they proscribe!

 

What have these "hell of a lot of people" got to feel better about? did he do something to any of them? NO, has Denise Fergus commissioned you all to seek revenge on her behalf? NO.

 

You have not been charged by the courts to serve justice by killing him (revealing his identity in the press will surely kill him,) If he is killed, that will then be murder (I bet it won't be done humanely either, so another horrific killing) and you, by joining your lynch mob, will be guilty of aiding and abeting murder. The difference here is that, whilst horrendous, there was little pre-meditation in 1993, almost a prank (and I appologise for using such a triviolising word for such a terrible event but I could think of no better) that went too far. In your case it would be wholy pre-meditated and conducted by adults not children!

 

When this crime was commited he was 10 years old.... Please tell me anywhere in the developed world that would execute a child... I think you will find, nowhere.. He was dealt with as the law saw fit... Now.... since when did we start passing second setences on criminals 17 years after the crime and after sentence has already been pronounced?

 

Please.... Carry on with your life and let the system deal with Jon Venables, which by all respects, it seems to be doing.

 

And for the record, If I thought 'outing' or killing Jon Venables would bring Jamie back or somehow make everything go away I would offer my support but IT WON'T.... IT WILL ONLY MAKE THINGS MUCH, MUCH WORSE!

 

 

You wont win me over my friend, I have no compassion or concern for such people no matter there age young or old who commit crimes like this.

 

OK I respect your judgement and you are certainly no fool but really you wont raise much feeling from the 'mob' as you call it which will include the majority on here and the general populace as well.

 

I have to say that if you was to take a convicted murderer, particularly a well known case, and execute him the majority of the population would'nt bat an eyelid.....Now would they???

 

It would just become yesterdays news after a couple of days lining a waste paper basket...............

[al4x]

the reason to keep the crime under wraps and anonymity intact is so he can have a fair trial. By the time he's been plastered all over the papers with all possible jurors knowing his past what likelyhood of a fair trial is there. People are curious by nature and it is purely a morbid curiosity that has got everyone wanting to know what he has done.

[poontang]

the reason to keep the crime under wraps and anonymity intact is so he can have a fair trial. By the time he's been plastered all over the papers with all possible jurors knowing his past what likelyhood of a fair trial is there. People are curious by nature and it is purely a morbid curiosity that has got everyone wanting to know what he has done.

 

Yes you're right, and i probably worded my other response badly. However, though i believe he should be treated the same as any other defendant in court, where previous convictions cannot be brought up, unless having a direct bearing on the case, should he be found guilty of his most recent 'crime' then he should be treated in the same way any other prisoner. His identity should be revealed and he should serve his time without a cloak of secrecy. He forfeited that right when he broke the conditions of his licence.

[Cranfield]

Four posts have been removed, we do not need to go into intimate detail regarding the murder of James Bulger.

[bignoel]

he killed once and it appears he was heading down that same road again his partner in crime has managed to vanish and lead a normal life maybe this lad was the ring leader from day one. there are wings in prison where he can hide and be free at the same time and mix with his own kind . this lad is a danger as he has proved lock him away what difference does his name make behind bars . cage him .

[pedro222]

Cheers mate just had a look.Just wondered if anyone else had this txt message.I got it send from one of my friends.Sad if its true

[libs]

A lot of money has been wasted on these two - catching them, Court proceedings, locking them up, re-habiliation, new identity and release and now re-arrest..... and so it goes on.

 

I can't but help think that the money could have been better spent elsewhere.

 

 

Maybe some:

 

and some:

 

Just a thought?

[shot shot]

Maybe some:

 

and some:

 

Just a thought?

going sailing Libs??

[libs]

going sailing Libs??

 

 

Only if I get to wear the hat&scarf combo them sea-men seem to pull off so well!

[banwellboy]

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/74979...-sex-crime.html not the best of papers agreed, but i bet there on the mark

the day this lot get it right is the day my FLO says "buy what you want Andy sod the licence"

[Fisherman Mike]

There is no doubt that we were all horrified at the murder of little Jamie and none of us can start to imagine what his family have had to endure and will have to endure for the rest of their lives. There is nothing, not even the public execution of Venables which will lessen this burden on his poor Mother. Venables and his accomplice were dealt with in accordance with the Law at that time, The Law which was available to deal with this offence of two Minors. We may not think it equitable or morally acceptable in that the punishment appears inappropriate but that is and was the law. The minute we start take the law into our own hands, then we start to degenerate in our moral fabric and become no better than those breaking it in the first instant. To expose Venables would serve no purpose other than to whip up public hysteria. You would be better lobbying for the reintroduction of capital punishment but bear in mind the fact that Venables himself was no more than a child when he carried out this crime. We need to ask why ? Is it the fact that the moral fabric in some communities has already eroded to a sub human level? Sadly, I think it probably is.

[stokie]

I have been sent a text allegedly started by a prison warder . Giving his new name and detailing his latest crime ..

 

Has anyone else had it

[Ozzy Fudd]

had the text about the guy in fleetwood, but its fake

 

though rumours are hes actually been living in northern ireland, close to me, there was 2 girls sexually assaulted in a local town recently, around the time tis all blew up... but im sure everyones hearing rumours

[al4x]

well seems like it was kiddie porn in the end

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10369277.stm

 

realistically I would hope it will mean he won't get out for a very long time