chrispti Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 CS gas batton kick the bloody thing the copper could have got up onto a car at one point to try and get out the way Everyone acts differently in situations I suppose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAG1 Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 Glad to see his mate helped him !!!. Feel for the bloke.. sad mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckaroo23 Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 Can't believe the other coppers ran off, surly a kosh to the back of the dogs head or a kick inbetween the dog legs, some thing, and as for the bloke filming it, proves where we are I life film not help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest1957 Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 I get the impression the dog did what the owner trained it to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapperz1991 Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 Sounds pretty painful. i was bitten by an alsation on my back when i was young so im a bit wary of dogs still to this day. If i heard correctly 3 shots. did anyone hear the comment of that's cruelty at the end of the video after the shots?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 Truly pathetic performance by the police. If that`s the best that three male coppers can manage under those circumstances it is small wonder that we no longer see the police on the streets any more. I hope that the two spineless coppers who failed to assist their comrade were suitably disciplined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 The police were completely useless in this matter. I'm sure you will all say that it's different when you're actually there etc but why did they stand round watching? If anyone, never mind friends/colleagues is being attacked by a dog, you do not stand watching, you get in and help! Even without their batons, CS spray etc they could injure it and slow it down, and the more of them attacking the dog at once the more effective it will be. The dog was just doing what it was bred and trained to do, it wasn't even attacking them properly - if it was, they'd be dead. I'm sure that if you shot the dog in question while this was happening, I think the police would be rather glad for saving their lives, and would not give you any problems over it (though they would claim it was a 'police marksman' that did it, not a civilian). If that happened where I was, I would have no hesitation in getting out a gun and shooting the dog, my only concern would be the time taken to unlock the gun and load it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Marty Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 Terrible but he seemed to be left to it by other cop :no: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpatten Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 My initial response may have been a bit harsh. The officers may in fact have been conducting a dynamic risk assessment whilst waiting for verification from their Diversity Lesbian that there were no issues of racial or trans gender harassment before gassing the dog and beating it unconscious with their batons. Rather than being disciplined for being cowards I do hope that all the officers concerned are receiving counseling to minimise the months off work to which they are probably entitled in order to combat the PTSD. Their claims for thousands of pounds in compo are probably winging their way to the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board even as we speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southeastpete Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 ^ probably a very correct assessment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfletch Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 The owner wants putting in the back of the police van and let a police dog in; shut the door job done See how he likes it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 (edited) Of course they would all be accused of animal cruelty if they fought back. This just goes to show that police recruitment is more centred around whether the candidate satisfies a diversity quota rather than if they've got the common sense to kick a dog in the head if it's attacking their mate. At least we know they can investigate a homophobic slur and provide support through their LGBT network. If the dog was black they would have smashed it. Edited March 23, 2012 by Tug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 Oh my god! That's terrible! I'm having mixed feelings about this though, part of me feels for the copper who the dog was latched onto and another part of me can't understand why they didn't get it sorted more quickly. I couldn't stand and watch that and the guy being bitten was in as good a position so sort it as anyone. If a dog bites your arm you use it to your advantage. Push across and down on it to make it side step - you'll most likely be able to force it to fall over sideways. If your other arm is still functioning then grabbing it's far front leg from underneat it really helps. Once it's lead on it's side you fall to your knees on it's ribs. That in an ideal world results in broken ribs, punctured lungs and a dog that's in no fit shape to fight. It will most likely kill it. At the very least you force it into a position of submission where it doesn't have the dexterity to get up even if it wants to so the only damage it can do is to what it already has hold of. I play fight with every large dog I know and use this tactic (well the first bit at least). I haven't found a dog yet that I can't bowl over like a small child and pin it down. I simply make it a fun game and hold it rather than fall on it but the basic skill of getting it over and on the floor is now second nature. I've done it to Boxers, Alsations, Dobermans, Labs - all sorts. If I was in pain I think it would be my natural reaction because I know it works. Trying to back away will never solve anything. Perhaps it helps that I've always reacted well to bad situations? I don't know why but I don't get all crazy when things go wrong. If something hurts me I'll sort it, if you leap out from behind something and surprise me I'll grab you rather than jump? I have no idea why I react that way but it's got me out of some horrible situations in the past! :look: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordnance Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 If a dog attacked officers here one of the officers involved would have shot it. I am surprised that police in England haven't sued there superiors for sending them out unarmed to incidents that have got them killed in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 The officers may in fact have been conducting a dynamic risk assessment whilst waiting for verification from their Diversity Lesbian that there were no issues of racial or trans gender harassment before gassing the dog and beating it unconscious with their batons. Rather than being disciplined for being cowards I do hope that all the officers concerned are receiving counseling to minimise the months off work to which they are probably entitled in order to combat the PTSD. Their claims for thousands of pounds in compo are probably winging their way to the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board even as we speak. Sadly, this is perhaps fairly close to the truth in many ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scolopax Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 That copper who jumped onto the wall and abandoned his collegue needs sacking for cowardice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wharf Rat Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 The same thing would probably happen if coppers smashed my front door in, dogs don't recognise a uniform. Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vole Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 Poor bloke , seemed to be left until the dog got through to his radial and ulnar arteries . As said above why not cs gas it or borrow someones' garden fork . The thing was killing him and he got no help or so it seemed . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debaser Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 CS doesn't work on dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 Having had a few near misses with dogs in my job (fire service) if that happened to me and my crew jumped up on a wall like that big girls blouse! they would hope the dog had got them by the time i had finished with them! for **** sake they have pepper spray, batons surely their 1st instinct should have been to help their mate! they should hang their head in shame that it took a firearms officer to come to their mates rescue! disgrace!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 and the fire arms officer should be looked at again to because why would you need 4 shots close range, cant he hit a barn door or something ! Poor police performance here ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m3vert Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 debaser the cops tend to have pepperspray not CS, I would have thought that a few skovils launched into a dogs face would have had some effect!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debaser Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 Met police have CS not pepper spray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 CS doesn't work on dogs. really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 CS doesn't work on dogs. Are you sure because the best form of defence if a dog comes at you is to spray deodrant in its face.Their noses are a lot more sensitive than ours and like Jones used to say in Dads army-they dont like it up em'! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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