cockercas Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Bizarre :o Not really. Keeps his mouth shut and hes keeping the odds in his favor for getting permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) make the incident known to him, but not that you know it's him (don't include the mule and he won't know you know it's him, just your whereabouts and time, the rest will fall into place) then tell him you do a bit of shooting and ask if he needs some help with beating etc when you have free time Edited January 20, 2013 by Paul223 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Not really. Keeps his mouth shut and hes keeping the odds in his favor for getting permission. but the keeper needs to know, not good to have rounds flying off around footpaths, especially whilst people are walking them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 but the keeper needs to know, not good to have rounds flying off around footpaths, especially whilst people are walking them Well let the next person who thinks they have been shot at tell him. Sometimes you have to do the wrong things in life to benifit yourself. It dosent matter how you dress it up, if you tell him then you are on the wrong side of a influential person when it comes to getting permission for a very long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) The crack sound you hear on a range/in the butts, is the sound or the round passing through the target. A round passing through the air makes a "zip" sound. A tumbling round makes a "wizz" or a "vvvv" sound. I think the crack is actually the noise made due to the round going supersonic fella. Edited January 20, 2013 by sako751sg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) I think the crack is actually the noise made due to the round going supersonic fella. That would happen as soon as the round goes supersonic, not 600m down range at the target end mate. Like many on the forum, I've had a few rounds wizz over my head, they never made a crack on passing over ... Edited January 20, 2013 by chrispti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mat Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Well let the next person who thinks they have been shot at tell him. Sometimes you have to do the wrong things in life to benifit yourself. It dosent matter how you dress it up, if you tell him then you are on the wrong side of a influential person when it comes to getting permission for a very long time. what if the next person gets shot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Well let the next person who thinks they have been shot at tell him. Sometimes you have to do the wrong things in life to benifit yourself. It dosent matter how you dress it up, if you tell him then you are on the wrong side of a influential person when it comes to getting permission for a very long time. That's right, don't let the game keeper know the error of his ways, let someone get killed next time, as long as your alright jack..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Well let the next person who thinks they have been shot at tell him. Sometimes you have to do the wrong things in life to benifit yourself. It dosent matter how you dress it up, if you tell him then you are on the wrong side of a influential person when it comes to getting permission for a very long time. That has to be the most stupid post of the year so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plank06 Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Surely it would be the supersonic crack, after all I'm sure most Larger centrefire rounds would still be travelling above the speed of sound at 600m. The paper target wouldn't make a crack loud enough to be uncomfortable to your ears? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 what if the next person gets shot? Then the keepers in big doo doo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) . Edited January 20, 2013 by chrispti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 That would happen as soon as the round goes supersonic, not 600m down range at the target end mate. Like many on the forum, I've had a few rounds wizz over my head, they never made a crack on passing over ... The vast majority i have had over my head,or close to me have been accompanied with a crack fella,and was always led to believe its a supersonic crack.Its definately nay the pill hitting anything,as ive had them over me and not striking anything and still get a crack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispti Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) Bloody phone, deleted my posts.... The round only cracks once as it goes through the sound barrier, I'm guessing here, would this be within the first 100m of the rounds flight? Edited January 20, 2013 by chrispti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Look at the opening post. Keeper ontop of a hill shooting downwards. Safe backstop More than likely a riccochy (sp). The guy who was walking the dog. What clothes was you wearing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Just confirmed,the crack is the sonic boom of the bullet passing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigman Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) Had a similar experience when out lamping , my friend and I could see a distant lamp red filter coming from wood on other side of our permission luckily at the time we where laying down shooting of bipod with air rifles , then we heard what I can only explain as a crack an loud hissing sound hsssssssssssss it was a little un nerving at the time Edited January 20, 2013 by bigman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregthegreat Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) Bloody phone, deleted my posts.... The round only cracks once as it goes through the sound barrier, I'm guessing here, would this be within the first 100m of the rounds flight? Sorry to jump in on this. The crack is relative to you, ie. the round has to be within a certain proximity from you in order for you to hear a crack from it. Think crack and thump as mentioned before - the crack is the round near you, the thump is the round being fired. You hear the crack first then use the thump to ping the direction of the firer. The round is going supersonic before it leaves the barrel. Edit: That's not to say this is what the OP heard though. Then crack, the rifle goes. But this time accompanied by a loud snatch/whizz what seemed like yards from my head. If you heard the crack of the rifle first then the whizz of the bullet it sounds like a ricochet. Edited January 20, 2013 by Gregthegreat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDog Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Of course it may not have been the keeper. Just go and tell him of your concerns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 That has to be the most stupid post of the year so far. Then surely you should accuse the op of being selfish and putting his desire for permission over the life of other innocent pedestrians? By your logic the op should go straight to the police because that action will reduce the perceived risk by the greatest amount? Alternately you could reside in the real world with all it's compromises like the rest of us mortals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Then surely you should accuse the op of being selfish and putting his desire for permission over the life of other innocent pedestrians? By your logic the op should go straight to the police because that action will reduce the perceived risk by the greatest amount? Alternately you could reside in the real world with all it's compromises like the rest of us mortals. Or the middle ground, speak to the keeper so that he is aware of what happened so he can avoid it happening again. Sorry to jump in on this. The crack is relative to you, ie. the round has to be within a certain proximity from you in order for you to hear a crack from it. Think crack and thump as mentioned before - the crack is the round near you, the thump is the round being fired. You hear the crack first then use the thump to ping the direction of the firer. The round is going supersonic before it leaves the barrel. Edit: That's not to say this is what the OP heard though. If you heard the crack of the rifle first then the whizz of the bullet it sounds like a ricochet. +1 a bullet, or plane, will continually produce a crack all the time that it is travelling super sonic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Or the middle ground, speak to the keeper so that he is aware of what happened so he can avoid it happening again Is the correct answer, you don't need to be aggressive or confrontational. Who knows the gamekeeper may not even be aware of what happened and quite grateful to be informed discreetly. The idea that ignoring the issue and risking someone getting shot, including yourself, on the basis of not prejudicing the chances of gaining some permission is quite staggeringly selfish and the logic of the terminally thick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) Bloody phone, deleted my posts.... The round only cracks once as it goes through the sound barrier, I'm guessing here, would this be within the first 100m of the rounds flight? A .308 or similar is supersonic out to about 900 yds depending on the bullet. Actually it is at its most noisy when it is going between super and sub sonic in what is called "the crisis" where it is buffeted by the air starting to flow round it in a different way. Thats why 900 /1000 yds is so challenging to shoot, its not the distance, its the point at which the ballistics change. Edited January 20, 2013 by Vince Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 (edited) The crack is the round pass close to you the thump is the round in the chamber. By counting the time between crack and thump will give an approx distance to the firing point. A whizzzz is a ricochet Edited January 20, 2013 by welshwarrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vampire Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 I have been down range of air rifles and as the pellet comes past it sounds like a vzzzzzssss. You should report this keeper before the worst happens,you were lucky,do you really want to be on this land whilst such an incompetant idiot is out there with a high powered rifle shooting deer at night over a footpath !!!! Oh and carry a torch next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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