team tractor Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Just looking at application for fac but the paper work I down loaded don't list typical refs so who can I use ?? I normally use a mates mum ( teacher) but I need 2 . Can I use business people who own companys ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Note to Part E Referees Under the Firearms Acts 1968-1997 if you apply for a firearm certificate you must provide the names and addresses of two people who have agreed to act as referees for your application. If this is a new application then both referees must have known you personally for at least two years. They must be resident in Great Britain and must not be a member of your immediate family. Registered firearms dealers, serving police officers or police employees cannot be accepted as referees, except as set out below. Referees must be of good character. References must be given freely and not on payment. If your application is for the renewal of your firearm certificate for a firearm for target shooting then one of the referees must be an official of the approved club named on your firearm certificate. A registered firearms dealer may act as a referee in these circumstances. The other referee must not be a member of any target shooting club Taken from the forms - all downloadable from http://www.north-wales.police.uk/contact_nwp_us/firearm_licensing.aspx Same forms for all police forces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted January 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 That's what I read but it used to say teachers,doctors, etc or people of high standing . So going off this my mate who owns a local bike shop could Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Just looked at another section, where it says this : Counter signatory Applications for a grant or renewal of a shotgun certificate must be countersigned. Your counter signatory must complete part D of the shotgun application form. Your counter signatory must be a Member of Parliament, Justice of the Peace, Minister of Religion/Priest or a person of similar standing. It is not exhaustive and other people may satisfy the requirement. Managers, Managing Directors and Company Secretaries are not suitable countersignatories. Solicitor/ Lawyer Legal Executive Postmaster/Mistress Dentist Accountant Nurse/Health Visitor Engineer (qualified) Probation Officer Surveyor Teacher Councillor Bank or Building Society Official Established Civil Servant Local Government Officer Prison Officer Retired Police Officer Veterinary Surgeon Airline Pilot Tax Officer Regular Commissioned Officer in her Majesty’s Services Architect Probation Officer However, that only applies to the counter-signatory for SGC. I'd advise you to contact your firearms Dept tomorrow, and ask their advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted January 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Can't speak to anyone I tried . It's a stupid press 1 for this and 2 for that . I tried all and was only a message Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfireboy Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 Referee for FAC just needs to be someone of good character who is not related to you and has known you personally for at least two years. So two friends without criminal records should be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 A friend who holds a FAC should be good enough and can honestly answer questions about your knowledge of firearms. That is often better than getting your doctor to do it who has no idea your life is falling apart........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 A friend who holds a FAC should be good enough and can honestly answer questions about your knowledge of firearms. That is often better than getting your doctor to do it who has no idea your life is falling apart........... I have always thought this, after all, sod what job they do, they have gone through the process and HOLD a FAC, who could possibly suggest they are Unsuitable to be a referee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 I have been a referee for both SGC and FAC I am unemployed through ill health but am the secretary of our clay club, I have used teachers and businessmen in the past with no problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkfanz Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 sec 1 firearms is different from sgc,any ony can be a referee so long as theyv,e known you for said period of time,get the farmer on one of your permissions and any close friend to do it,i did it for my shooting partner.cos weve been mates for nearly 40 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 SGC has to be lawyer/solicitor/doctor FAC - someone of a good moral standing. I would always opt for other FAC holders, as they can get you an open ticket too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikaveli Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 SGC has to be lawyer/solicitor/doctor FAC - someone of a good moral standing. I would always opt for other FAC holders, as they can get you an open ticket too. I was the referee for a mate - I'm just a lowly software developer. Didn't have any issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 If you're applying to complement an existing SGC and you already have somewhere to shoot, then, assuming the 2 year rule, the farmer is deemed good to go as is the bike shop guy unless he has a history of dealing in stolen pushbikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 for my fac two mates from work did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team tractor Posted January 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Cheers guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Nobody has mentioned FARMERS: My mate used one?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northamptonclay Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Driving instructor done my sgc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 List is examples only more important that they know you well rather than someone you see for an hour once a year........oh and not a convicted criminal/in receipt of payment/family member/insane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landrover Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 A friend who holds a FAC should be good enough and can honestly answer questions about your knowledge of firearms. That is often better than getting your doctor to do it who has no idea your life is falling apart........... thats all my son and i use and the farmer for the other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpa Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 I have recently signed as a referee for SGC and FAC and my occupation was area manager. Although I do work alongside gov' departments and the emergency services so that may have helped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 I like the way they have doctors on there list most doctors charge at least £10 for there signature and as you are not allowed to pay then that rules them out. I just get a couple of my shooting mates to do mine when its due.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theosmith Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 my boss done mine, work in timber yard and my friend , owns car tuning buisness also sgc holder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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