BRNDL Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 All, I just thought I would share this incident with you. I was out with my young lab last night, 20.00 as i had planned to introduce gun noise with her. I asked a friend to come along to help. The land we used (my permission) is right on the motorway and the terrain is quite undulating. I ensured my friend shot away from the motorway (naturally) and with his back to woods separating the boundaries to a neighboring equestrian farm. (You can see where this is going). Anyway, after a little reconnaissance I was satisfied there was no-one on the land or public thoroughfare and I couldn't see any livestock in the vicinity. So, we set up, my friend 70yds away with my 12g and 20 carts. Started off with single shots, then double. After 10 carts the dog was comfortable so I moved closer and asked my friend to reel off 10 carts one after another. Four bangs in and I hear a man shouting the worst obscenities you could think of and threatening violence if I didn't stop shooting. Naturally I signaled to stop the shoot and shouted back at the guy that I am training my gun dog and asked what his problem was? The reply was no less flattering than the initial language he decided to use but he was upset that I was scaring his horses and he is phoning the police right away. I spoke with my friend and could feel myself getting quite angry with the way he in which he approached the subject. I am a very reasonable person and have a good anger threshold. (I think). I went over to see him, but my view of his whereabouts was difficult due to the boundary trees ect. On route I had a flash thought, I had only gone over to my friend to dis arm him of the shotgun and make it safe, so I had the gun broken on approach and a couple of shells in my hand. Something clicked on approach and I walked away back to the original start point and broke the gun into 3, taking only the barrels with me (didn't want to leave the full gun unattended) and ditched the shells. On reflection, the guy was so irate he could of told the police anything and I would of been caught gun in hand, shells in another after a rather aggressive encounter with said person. The situation could of been handled in much more of a gentlemanly way. Like shouting stop stop and then calling me over to discuss in detail. I would of happily apologised and asked for his mob number to give him an hours warning next time I go so he can get his horses in. Some people, the mind baffles sometimes. BRNDL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 The horse mob will never compromise or discuss things in rational manner. I shoot on my uncles farm that has loads of horses, they are anything but scared, usually coming over to see what the noise is about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRNDL Posted August 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 I thought as much...this guy was going nuts. Anyone would of thought I had shot his horse or something. I am going to knock on his door next week and speak with him as I am not willing to stop training my dog on land where it is legal and I have the full backing of the landowner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Again this is an example of getting your phone out of your pocket and recording everything,get him being aggressive and you being polite,and then if the police are called you have proof not just peoples words. If you try to speak to him while recording and he is aggressive toward you walk away and call the police,let them deal with an idiot who is aggressive and out of control and causing you distress and harassment. People like that are not ever going to be reasonable toward you,let the police deal with them. I thought as much...this guy was going nuts. Anyone would of thought I had shot his horse or something. I am going to knock on his door next week and speak with him as I am not willing to stop training my dog on land where it is legal and I have the full backing of the landowner. Not a good idea,don't give him the chance to say you threatened him,and if he is such a tool he will say that to the police,record and report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B725 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Use a starter pistol the bang is loud enough and you do not have the problem of have the shot gun with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRNDL Posted August 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Use a starter pistol the bang is loud enough and you do not have the problem of have the shot gun with you. I dont want to buy one. I can use my gun without breaking the law. Plus I am a tight *** Again this is an example of getting your phone out of your pocket and recording everything,get him being aggressive and you being polite,and then if the police are called you have proof not just peoples words. If you try to speak to him while recording and he is aggressive toward you walk away and call the police,let them deal with an idiot who is aggressive and out of control and causing you distress and harassment. People like that are not ever going to be reasonable toward you,let the police deal with them. Not a good idea,don't give him the chance to say you threatened him,and if he is such a tool he will say that to the police,record and report. I dont really want to upset him again. I planned to go round next week with my mobile in hand and discreetly record our conversation. That should be ok hopefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodo123 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 People with horses in my experience tend to like sniffing their own stomach fluids. (not all). After all they keep horses so they are richer and better than you. You should go round their now and kiss their feet. Apologise for being so uneducated and offer yourself to live as their butler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fal Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 People with horses in my experience tend to like sniffing their own stomach fluids. (not all). After all they keep horses so they are richer and better than you. You should go round their now and kiss their feet. Apologise for being so uneducated and offer yourself to live as their butler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutt Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 if the horses are for riding they should be bomb proof and trained to except noise .just one thing you don't need to fire the shotgun as many times only one or two times a session and once the dogs used to it you could only fire the gun during mock hunting training.atb with the training Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant1 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 hi is he worried with the noise levels or pellets hitting his horses, in this situation I would either buy reloading primers to put in my snapcaps or take the pellets out of the cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRNDL Posted August 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 (edited) I made the point that the gun was pointing away from his boundary. Of course it's the noise, but why should I go and spend money to satisfy his environment? Logically thinking should he not provide me an alternative? In an ideal world Edited August 8, 2013 by BRNDL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambsman Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Recording conversations without agreement of both parties is a legal no no. Don't go there....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepasty Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 (edited) My parents have some young skittish horses, they freak out to things like plastic bags in the hedge etc but we can shoot in the next field (100 yards away) and they dont batter an eye lid. My parents view when I asked to shoot near them was it should help to get the horses used to such noises and that its a good thing. The guy sounds like a **** Edited August 8, 2013 by thepasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRNDL Posted August 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Recording conversations without agreement of both parties is a legal no no. Don't go there....... How do you suggest I prove my innocence if wrongly accused for threatening with a firearm? I would like to have a video or recording on my side to be honest...legal or not it provides the truth. My parents have some young skittish horses, they freak out to things like plastic bags in the hedge etc but we can in the next field (100 yards away) and they dont batter an eye lid. My parents view when I asked to shoot near them was it should help to get the horses used to such noises and that its a good thing. The guy sounds like a **** Like I say Pasty...I am not going to stop. I will give him a heads up next time ans be curtious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Ignoeing the main issue But starter pistols are great things for training, and completely different to using a shotgun, i would never dream off using a shotgun for training, too much hassle. How are u going to do the next stage of gettin dog dropping/steady to shot and throwing dummies after report, when both ur hands are holding ur shotgun. For 40 quid and it will prob do u for life, i would not buy 1 to keep ur neighbour happy but for urself and to help ur training, if u invest in 1 u will use it more often so helping ur dog (and possibly annoying ur neighbour more often) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welsh1 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Recording conversations without agreement of both parties is a legal no no. Don't go there....... where does it say it's illegal to record or video a conversation between two parties without consent?, how do you think reporters do stings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subsonicnat Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 My mate trained his dog with a starting pistol, nothing like the real thing going off in your ear.. Used to shut down my table saw when horses were coming down the road, my daughter-in-law, told me not to, as they should be able to handle noise, especially if they are going on the road.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 I own horses and have them on my own land I do a little pigeon shooting there from time to time and the horses are so curious they are almost trying to get in the hide with me,i don't doubt that there will be some animals that might be spooked by the noise and we have to bear this In mind when shooting on and near other peoples land,i would say that this person just did not like shooting unless he was shooting his mouth off.we have to bite our tounges a lot because of all the hysteria surrounding our sport its wrong but that's how it is at the moment i'm afraid.best of luck with your dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRNDL Posted August 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Thanks chaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Record away, its quite legal, un less your a public body than various laws apply that I won't go into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the pigeon man Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Turn around n just run away and hide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12boreblue Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 If I might make a point, which is relevant and based on experience, I spent many years working in the thoroughbred industry, so have quite a lot of knowledge regarding horses. I agree that horses and there owners should train their animals to shotgun and other loud noises in the same manner we train gundogs. But they don't and the issue is a sudden volley of gunshots next to a stables can cause extreme injury to both equine and human. As an example, many years ago I was tending a sick horse during the night, a group of lads out shooting rabbit in the fields behind, started shooting and the pellets were hitting the stables, the horse I was caring for reared up in panic, smashed it's head on a wooden beam, and fell on me, damaging my pelvis and fracturing my skull. My career was finished in a moment and the horse was put down due to head injury and for staff to get it off me. All they had to do was knock on the door and let us know they were shooting that night, or telephone. I still think the attitude of your horseman was wrong, but in my opinion it works both ways, if you are near a stables, then just give them the heads up. Our sport needs all the protection it can get, and you most certainly have the right to shoot on your permission. I would go and see him and agree to inform him when you intend to shoot. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 RIPA doesn't apply to private citizens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 RIPA doesn't apply to private citizens. Mispost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 No. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/23/contents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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