Dog training - Threats - Shotgun

[-Mongrel-]

No.

 

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/23/contents

Yes, I actually Googled it myself before asking the question but didn't see the relevance. It deals with interception of communications, please feel free to make me look silly.

 

An Act to make provision for and about the interception of communications, the acquisition and disclosure of data relating to communications, the carrying out of surveillance, the use of covert human intelligence sources and the acquisition of the means by which electronic data protected by encryption or passwords may be decrypted or accessed;

Edited August 9, 2013 by -Mongrel-

[Gordon R]

Recording conversations and videoing other people is regulated by RIPA, but only applies to Government bodies - Police etc.

[njc110381]

There are horse places surrounding a couple of my shoots. Generally I will avoid shooting loud guns near to them, and if I have no choice I will give them a knock to let them know. There's no excuse for being abusive and that was out of order, but I can see where the guy was coming from. He should have just approached the subject differently. I'd just ask him for his phone number so you can give him time to move them the next time you go. If he refuses to give it to you then that's his loss and crack on.

 

Unfortunately these things are better approached before things go this far. Training your dog with a shotgun next to his horse paddocks is, well, a little inconsiderate. I'm not having a go, that's just the way I see it

[-Mongrel-]

Recording conversations and videoing other people is regulated by RIPA, but only applies to Government bodies - Police etc.

Ah, now I see. Wasn't aware of that. So what in essence does that mean? Are we saying that anything recorded is inadmissible a court of law, if so, would it not be useful anyway in the hope of avoiding going to court in the first place?

[Gordon R]

It is admissible, but the Police and other Government bodies have to apply for prior permission to conduct surveillance and record what people are doing.

 

Doesn't apply to non-government bodies or private citizens.

[-Mongrel-]

Consider me educated.

[BRNDL]

It is admissible, but the Police and other Government bodies have to apply for prior permission to conduct surveillance and record what people are doing.Doesn't apply to non-government bodies or private citizens.

 

Good info.

Thanks

[Big Al]

Have you spoken to the farmer on whose ground you shoot about the horsey man/ what happened? Is he a known ****?

[BRNDL]

Not yet but I will be. I need that permission as its the only one I have available, so don't have a choice really.

[keg]

Also shoot on a farm with lots of horses and not had a problem at all.

[bobt]

I have used a horse as a mobile hide before now, walking closer to the rabbits with the horse, then using dobbin as a rest for the rimfire,

[motty]

Ignoeing the main issue

 

But starter pistols are great things for training, and completely different to using a shotgun, i would never dream off using a shotgun for training, too much hassle.

 

How are u going to do the next stage of gettin dog dropping/steady to shot and throwing dummies after report, when both ur hands are holding ur shotgun. For 40 quid and it will prob do u for life, i would not buy 1 to keep ur neighbour happy but for urself and to help ur training, if u invest in 1 u will use it more often so helping ur dog (and possibly annoying ur neighbour more often)

I can quite easily use a shotgun with one hand.

[scutt]

I have used a horse as a mobile hide before now, walking closer to the rabbits with the horse, then using dobbin as a rest for the rimfire,

Stalking horse old hunting term I think

[bobt]

thats where I got the idea.

[neil3728]

Horses are funny creatures, my wife has two neither of them will lift there head to any sort of sound, shotgun crow scares makes no difference. While out walking tractors, conbines even behind a hedge won't effect them. But if a crisp packet moves in the wind they freak out like its the nend of the world.

Edited August 12, 2013 by neil3728

[BRNDL]

Just an update on confronting the chap.

 

Sorry I have a video but struggling to upload...

 

 

Ok the vid is not uploading!

 

I went round at 20.30 this evening and buzzed the intercom at the end of the drive next to the big iron gates...I was reletavly politely greeted by "what do you want" to which I replied " to speak with you, I am the gent with the shotgun you were shouting at a few weeks ago.

 

Anyway I apologised for the disruption and asked for his mobile number in order to notify him an hour before my next visit. I explained phoning the police would not bare any influence on me shooting as I will call 101 to inform them before hand. Ect ect

 

He seemed ok but rather shocked and nervous that I had bothered to come and kind of knock on his front door!

 

Hopefully this had been put to bed now.

 

Thanks BRNDL

Edited August 28, 2013 by BRNDL

[Guest cookoff013]

ps,

dont take out the shot and fire a cartridge. its not good.

[beeredup]

Just an update on confronting the chap.

 

Sorry I have a video but struggling to upload...

 

 

Ok the vid is not uploading!

 

I went round at 20.30 this evening and buzzed the intercom at the end of the drive next to the big iron gates...I was reletavly politely greeted by "what do you want" to which I replied " to speak with you, I am the gent with the shotgun you were shouting at a few weeks ago.

 

Anyway I apologised for the disruption and asked for his mobile number in order to notify him an hour before my next visit. I explained phoning the police would not bare any influence on me shooting as I will call 101 to inform them before hand. Ect ect

 

He seemed ok but rather shocked and nervous that I had bothered to come and kind of knock on his front door!

 

Hopefully this had been put to bed now.

 

Thanks BRNDL

best way of dealing with irrate and irrational people as it puts them right out of their comfort zone and onto a back heel straight away as they expect you to get angry back but if your calm and polite you win, by the way did you take the shotgun with you

[channa]

Glad it's all sorted now. Gonna introduce my dog to the shotgun again soon,he's fine with the starter pistol it bothers him none. The shotgun is a different story must be because there alot louder than a starter pistol,more base with them.

[wildfowler.250]

Done a wee bit of work with horses and my take on it is they all react differently. Some won't bat an eyelid to a gunshot as mentioned.

 

I had a small patch of rough ground where I used to shoot the odd pheasant around an old farm house a couple of years ago. There were two horses at the place which grazed there for free. The (crazy) horse lady wanted the place to herself and claimed my shooting had scared the horse and it had injured itself. Despite not being on premis in ages,(or them being bothered by the shots).

 

Some folk are just odd and at least you managed to speak to the guy okay you just seem to get more odd folk in the horsey world!

[BRNDL]

Glad it's all sorted now. Gonna introduce my dog to the shotgun again soon,he's fine with the starter pistol it bothers him none. The shotgun is a different story must be because there alot louder than a starter pistol,more base with them.

 

Channa, what is your process going to be to introduce then gun?

[kent]

All,

 

I just thought I would share this incident with you. I was out with my young lab last night, 20.00 as i had planned to introduce gun noise with her. I asked a friend to come along to help. The land we used (my permission) is right on the motorway and the terrain is quite undulating. I ensured my friend shot away from the motorway (naturally) and with his back to woods separating the boundaries to a neighboring equestrian farm. (You can see where this is going). Anyway, after a little reconnaissance I was satisfied there was no-one on the land or public thoroughfare and I couldn't see any livestock in the vicinity.

 

So, we set up, my friend 70yds away with my 12g and 20 carts. Started off with single shots, then double. After 10 carts the dog was comfortable so I moved closer and asked my friend to reel off 10 carts one after another. Four bangs in and I hear a man shouting the worst obscenities you could think of and threatening violence if I didn't stop shooting. Naturally I signaled to stop the shoot and shouted back at the guy that I am training my gun dog and asked what his problem was? The reply was no less flattering than the initial language he decided to use but he was upset that I was scaring his horses and he is phoning the police right away.

 

I spoke with my friend and could feel myself getting quite angry with the way he in which he approached the subject. I am a very reasonable person and have a good anger threshold. (I think). I went over to see him, but my view of his whereabouts was difficult due to the boundary trees ect. On route I had a flash thought, I had only gone over to my friend to dis arm him of the shotgun and make it safe, so I had the gun broken on approach and a couple of shells in my hand. Something clicked on approach and I walked away back to the original start point and broke the gun into 3, taking only the barrels with me (didn't want to leave the full gun unattended) and ditched the shells.

 

On reflection, the guy was so irate he could of told the police anything and I would of been caught gun in hand, shells in another after a rather aggressive encounter with said person.

 

The situation could of been handled in much more of a gentlemanly way. Like shouting stop stop and then calling me over to discuss in detail. I would of happily apologised and asked for his mob number to give him an hours warning next time I go so he can get his horses in. Some people, the mind baffles sometimes.

 

BRNDL

On a cautious note, that's a way too heavy introduction to gunfire for me personally. you cannot build Rome in a day build slowly and if you too tight to but a starter pistol remove all and just go with a primer. 10 shots anywhere near the dog on the first intro day is too much. If the dog is under 6mnths or so a shotgun blast can actually damage a membrane within the ear creating pain later in life when loud noises are made. 6mm blanks are way cheaper per hundred than the cheapest shotgun shells anyhow and you will burn up many hundreds training a dog.

 

The guy was seeing red, it happens so you broke no laws but maybe you might consider things first as some horses are nervous. its also legal to buzz past them on the road but you wouldn't if you ever saw one spook.

[silver pigeon69]

where does it say it's illegal to record or video a conversation between two parties without consent?, how do you think reporters do stings.

The law is very unclear on this, be very careful.

 

If you have permission of the land owner/property owner and in the case of a telephone line the bill payers permission you can legally record/tap the conversation.

 

But if you are on public land or somewhere without permission, i beleive you can record (Audio/visual) if you are obtaining evidence of a criminal activity.(hence PI's recording Personal injury claimants in public places and even in the subjects garden! as this evidence would be used in a possible fraud case)

 

If you were to record anything my advice would be to keep quiet about it unless you are useing it as evidence in criminal proceedings.

[BRNDL]

So what are your thought on just visiting a clay ground?? I am potentially going to Worsley on saturday and was thinking about taking the god. She is now nearly 11 months.

 

Obviously I wont be charging in there...

 

Has anyone any experience doing this?? Successfully or unsuccessfully?

[Fatcatsplat]

Mine have all been introduced to shot at a clay ground. Park up in the car park, have a little walk round on the lead with the shots in the back ground, treat it all very naturally and then gradually get closer to the guns. Plenty of praise and reassurance and the job's a good 'un!