shawn9914 Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Hi All Still looking for a pre charged air rifle for my son to do some target shooting with and also some close range rabbits, pigeon rats etc etc been looking at .22 calibre but before I buy is it worth me looking at rifles in the 177 range to shoot vermin I am suppose to be going to look at a Airarms s410f in a .22 tomorrow so thought I would get some help off here before I commit cheers shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Can of worms time is it? I wouldn't use anything other than a .177 The only real downside is a slight risk of over-penetration at real close range. Rabbits, rats, pigeons, corvids, squirrels etc all fall victim to a .177. If I was going to have an FAC gun, it'd be .22, but at sub 12 levels, I much prefer the .177 trajectory and higher velocity over the loopy and slower .22. Personal choice and all that, but I'm sticking to my guns on this one - and they're always .177! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiep Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Up to 35 yards, it makes no difference, in my opinion. Past 35 yards, the 'loopy' trajectory of a .22 begins to be far more of a factor in accuracy. If it's a reasonable quality gun though, the biggest limiting factor is the Mk.1 human squeezing the trigger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbower Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 I would go with the others. I used to be a .22 only person but have found .177 with a good quality 'heavy' pellet, will suit most requirements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Hi All Still looking for a pre charged air rifle for my son to do some target shooting with and also some close range rabbits, pigeon rats etc etc been looking at .22 calibre but before I buy is it worth me looking at rifles in the 177 range to shoot vermin I am suppose to be going to look at a Airarms s410f in a .22 tomorrow so thought I would get some help off here before I commit cheers shawn sorry chris but this is rare,,i disagree with you for once,,as the op said in red above,, then I think a .22 would be better suited as even you said a .177 can over penetrate at close range, if it was me get a s410 in .22 and if looked after will last your son a lifetime but I would defo choose .22 caliber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 (edited) sorry chris but this is rare,,i disagree with you for once,,as the op said in red above,, then I think a .22 would be better suited as even you said a .177 can over penetrate at close range, if it was me get a s410 in .22 and if looked after will last your son a lifetime but I would defo choose .22 caliber Scandal! Outrageous behaviour. Call in the mods! hehe. I know what you mean. I did think twice about the range, and you're right the 'short range' factor is the thing. Also slightly aware that the other day i posted about the benefits of a .22 where over penetration could damage farm buildings Then I thought what the OP meant by short range. someone used to shooting deer @ 200yds might say 60yds is short range. So, as i didn't know what was meant, I scurried back to my default position 'Short range' air gunning? then yeah a .22 is probably better. anything regularly over 30yds and it's .177 for me, as the over-penetration becomes less of a factor. Edited December 19, 2013 by chrisjpainter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretagentmole Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 What is best for my Ford Mondeo 2.0i Esso or BP? Makes about as much sense. Both calibres are capable of clean kills, it is the shooter that is the major variant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon6ppc Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 both are good in the right hands,but if i had to go to war with one it would be 22 without a doubt.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael170874 Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Yeah have to agree with simon here .its like the military two common calibers used 5.56 and 7.62 .both will kill you but when given the choice ide go 7.62 its gonna stop you end of. Ive got both calibers in my air rifles and my 22 kills pigeons stone dead with heart lung shots anywhere from 10 yds to 35 yds but my 177 cal unless head shot just goes right through and they fly off . And all of my shooting is done in the woods so more often its heart ,lung shots cos a pigeon swaying ,bobbing about inbetween branches is a hard target to hit in the head .i personally dont shoot at live quarry over 35 yds with 12 ftbls rifle . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobby Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Can of worms time is it? I wouldn't use anything other than a .177 The only real downside is a slight risk of over-penetration at real close range. Rabbits, rats, pigeons, corvids, squirrels etc all fall victim to a .177. If I was going to have an FAC gun, it'd be .22, but at sub 12 levels, I much prefer the .177 trajectory and higher velocity over the loopy and slower .22. Personal choice and all that, but I'm sticking to my guns on this one - and they're always .177! What he said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 At 35 yds there is no trajectory gain in either it comes down to pellet of choice and scope to bore height more than calibre. .22 hits harder and is more capable of achieving clean kills with shots to the heart lungs or even slightly mis placed brain shots. In a spring rifle the bigger cal is usually just a tad sweeter to shoot in many guns it has reduced firing movement. If you get yourself outside and measure out 35 yds you will have a better idea and you still have to hit relatively small targets 1st shot no sighter in truth few can get out much further in the field with real reliability at 12 ft lb. Even though I have shot competitively with success along the way with air and centre fire I cannot, I can like any take an odd long range flukey shot and can certainly do better once I know the exact trajectory and windage required on a range. .177, .22, .20, .25 all kill if you put it in the right spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 .177 in sub FAC and .22 in FAC! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 .177 in sub FAC and .22 in FAC! Seconded ! Go .177. Both calibres will do but this is what I would recomend and this is how I spent my money ! ATB Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn9914 Posted December 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 hi all thanks for all the great advise, well I have bought a rifle some will agree some wont I got him a air arms S410F 10 shot in a .22 second hand it is in fantastic condition and has a green tint too the stock which is nice scope is a nikko sterling 6-24 x 50 which is plenty good enough for what he needs 3 lts charging bottle with 3 years left on it before test leather gun sling, nice fur line gun bag and 2 new tins of air arms pellets just been playing with it in my workshop and at 20 yds it groups in a circle the size of a 5 pence piece so chuffed at this very queit and very light cant wait to give it him on xmas morning now saving some tins for him to shoot at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 hi all thanks for all the great advise, well I have bought a rifle some will agree some wont I got him a air arms S410F 10 shot in a .22 second hand it is in fantastic condition and has a green tint too the stock which is nice Burn the heathen! chuck him off PW! hehe, Sounds like a good deal though, and is a gun that will last for years. There's a reason why the S410 is so popular, they're pretty darn good. He should be well chuffed with it. If he's not, I'll have it. (even if it is the evil cal. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet boy Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Shawn the AAS410 is an excellent rifle mate. ATB and safe and happy shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 excellent news and sounds a great deal roll on xmas morning and don't forget to take a picture and show us all when he opens it all the best Evo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 i think calibre choice was wise, if you got a bargain decent airgun. i prefer 0.177, but i also stick to 8grain pellets in the HW80. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickB65 Posted December 20, 2013 Report Share Posted December 20, 2013 I used to shoot .177 and now shoot .22 and they both do the same thing in a different way. Yes with the .177 you are prone to over penetration and close range but with the .22 anything over 30 yards is a bit loopy.... Either will do the job..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David M Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 I hunted with my .22 springer for two years to good success using the relatively flattish tradjectory Falcon Accuracy Plus pellets, they are hollow and only 14.3gr but hit hard and dropped rabbits and pigeons no problem. For me, it's downfall was a lack of accuracy (with me on the blunt end) past 30 yards. Your .22 pcp should be a lot more consistant though. I bought a .177 AA s400 carbine last April and haven't looked back since. Close range over penetration through the head or heart hasn't seen any quarry walk off yet, plus with a bipod I can now confidently take headshots on rabbits and pigeons out to 40 yards in fair conditions. Great present though, you have one very lucky boy...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washerboy Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Went from. 22 over to.177 but couldn't get use to it and had a lot of head shot rabbits run. Went back to. 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 This one goes round and round and the answer is always the same....there is no answer, use what works for you, but .22 is best! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billywoodsman Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 i shoot both calibers for target and vermin,the main thing is to have lots of fun,stay safe and enjoy and let your son have a go on the gun now and agian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 This one goes round and round and the answer is always the same....there is no answer, use what works for you, but .22 is best! You're right! This one does go round and round and the answer is always the same....there is no answer, use what works for you, but .177 is best! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 .20 the perfect solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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