Reeceknight Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 bought my second hatsan escort last week and today it went clay shooting. all it done was jam up, misfire, and most of the time fire of both shots at the same time. not very happy. tryed all different kinda of carts and nothing helps. Even Essex gun came out to have. Go and witness it. Maybe I should have bought somthing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry d Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Yup! Good ones are good bad ones are evil... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex Keeper Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Good strip down and clean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reeceknight Posted March 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 It's brand new lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 how does it fire 2 shots at the same time, just interested as i use a hatsan aswell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farcombehall Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 First time out with my new Hatsun semi it jammed so strip it down and cleaned it been great ever since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reeceknight Posted March 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 it literally shoots both, almost as one BANG like when an over and under shoots both barrels. I think the 3 main issues won't be fixed by a strip down and clean though, pulling the trigger and it simply not firing, when it does it fires both shots full auto, it jammed emptys and instead of the receiver locking open once it ejects the final empty it closes again as if it is still cycling the rounds. Essex gun said that it defnatly isn't rite and has some problems. wich is a Shane because I normally like them and stick up for them bang for buck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 (edited) If it's a semi auto, piston on the wrong way round or O ring in the wrong place?. What you're getting is called a slam fire, I've only seen one other reference to it and that was back in 2011, http://www.full-bore.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=2640 Are you sure it's a brand new gun?, did it have the Edgar Bros stickers/labels etc. on it?, more than likely if it is slam firing there's a problem with the trigger group. Edited March 1, 2014 by phaedra1106 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 bought my second hatsan escort last week and today it went clay shooting. all it done was jam up, misfire, and most of the time fire of both shots at the same time. not very happy. tryed all different kinda of carts and nothing helps. Even Essex gun came out to have. Go and witness it. Maybe I should have bought somthing else. How the **** did you manage that? :hmm: :hmm: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossberg-operator Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 How the **** did you manage that? :hmm: :hmm: i think he means after each other pulling the trigger only once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inderraj Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 what cartridge are you using? I used 32g+ shells (about 100/200) through the gun to get it cycling proper, as I was told by the dealer. Never had an issue with it what so ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poontang Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Yeah, I reckon it's the cartridges. Put them through a decent gun and they'll be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wraivi Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 (edited) Mate, just get your dealer to send it back, definitely not right and could be a trigger group fault. Pay no attention to the Hatsan rubbishers who have already descended. Just have a look on here about the problems more prestigious makes have. It happens with mechanisms. The good thing is Edgar brothers are outstanding in dealing with faults...my own experience. Try getting that kind of service from GMK for a beretta, again my own experience. ..ended up getting my beretta spares from the US. Dont mess about with the gun just let the dealer and importers sort it. Could've happened on any new gun. Good Luck mate. Edited March 1, 2014 by wraivi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reeceknight Posted March 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 iv got a few videos of it doing it. when if fired both cartridges it does it so fast it almost sound like one shot lol I had a fair few people look at it at the fennes today including Essex gun and anyone who used it had the same result. Essex gun come out with 2 box of different carts to put through it and it still done it, then my black golds done it and same as the Ely first. At wich point I have up and went back to the car. il just return it as most people have said. Thanks for helping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 it literally shoots both, almost as one BANG like when an over and under shoots both barrels. I think the 3 main issues won't be fixed by a strip down and clean though, pulling the trigger and it simply not firing, when it does it fires both shots full auto, it jammed emptys and instead of the receiver locking open once it ejects the final empty it closes again as if it is still cycling the rounds. Essex gun said that it defnatly isn't rite and has some problems. wich is a Shane because I normally like them and stick up for them bang for buck. at least essex gun are admitting theres a fault, when I had a 410 hushpower 3 shot pump from them that was faulty, they said it was user error, and that the gun was perfect, I traded that in (at a loss) for a new 410 sxs yildiz, funnily enough, the safety on that does not set itself like my other yildiz, maybe its a thing with new guns bought from them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reeceknight Posted March 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 if I'm honest when I mentioned it was shooting off both shots full auto he did say somthing about trigger control and making sure I release my finger all the way, then I explained about the misfires and jamming and he offered to put some cartridges through it himself, first 3 shots was fine and he said it seemed fine then it went full auto on him and he said " bloody hell" lol then it jammed for abit and they changed cartridges and it went full auto again so they had to admit there was a problem (there was also people viewing the full auto Uzi 12 gauge at this point) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinggun Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 were they 70mm carts mate? only asking as I read somewhere in my manual to use at least these to stop jams and so far I've never had one, mines the 3 inch chamber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastair0903 Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Honestly , I hope these cartridge length questions are hatstand haters taking the Michael ! There is a time and a place and slam firing has not got a lot to do with cartridge length Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Flippen 'ek, so what happened about these getting better with the newer versions?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bala Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Its going to cost you a packet in cartridges if its going full auto. I have had an escort coming up 2 years, and can count the jams on one hand, at the price, i am more than happy with mine for pigeon shooting. Hope you get sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old farrier Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Hi Sorry to hear you got a problem with new gun Obviously not fit for purpose or safe take it back get them to sort it Hope you have better luck with the replacement All the best Of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinggun Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 (edited) Honestly , I hope these cartridge length questions are hatstand haters taking the Michael ! There is a time and a place and slam firing has not got a lot to do with cartridge length i am not taking the mick, If you read my message I asked about cartridge length due to the jams he had, I wasn't asking about the seperate problem of firing multiple rounds at once, I am not a hatsan hater as I have owned one for about 3 years and put thousands of carts through it without problems but then I have stuck to longer carts which I believe helps to stop jams. And to the op as said above if it doesn't work right just take it back and get sorted out but sounds like a good shop to come out and try to help you sort the problem so im sure you'll get it all sorted. Edited March 2, 2014 by smokinggun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubby Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 but sounds like a good shop to come out and try to help you sort the problem so im sure you'll get it all sorted. I doubt very much that they "came out" especially for him, more like they were shooting at the same ground whilst he was there too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reeceknight Posted March 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 To be fair they did come out to try it and see it happen there shop is almost in the car park of the shoot and they made an effort to Come out and see it. I did ask for my money back and they said they would swap it and I have decided that once I return the gun all boxed up I will be asking for a refund, not a new hatsan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren m Posted March 2, 2014 Report Share Posted March 2, 2014 can you post the videos you took on here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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