BaikalsRule90 Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 I've always been a bit of a beretta man through and through, I bought a brand new 686 e last year and was fairly impressed with it and I shoot it fairly well. However I can't help feeling that beretta aren't the guns they used to be, after a couple of months the oil finish grew very patchy and after one trip out in the rain the wood to metal fit on the fore end has never been right since. In a nut shell compared to my 33 year old 686s the quality just isn't there anymore. Is a ceaser guerini a decent replacement? I've fired a summit sporter And thought the balace and handling characteristics were pretty good. Do they stand up to the test of time? Atb Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashman1 Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 A much better gun and I could not agree more beretta are not the quality anymore at that end of market atb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 I have had a silver pigeon for about 5 years, bought it new and it has been great. About a year ago I bought a Caesar Guerini Magnus just because I wanted a change and I had read a few good reviews and liked the look of the gun. I shot the best I ever have last season, the gun looks fantastic, since I bought it my silver pigeon came out of the cabinet for a clean then back in. You are also bucking the trend of not having the same as everyone one else. I can not recommend them enough. Obviously what worked for me might not for you, don't blaming me if you can't hit a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiffy Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 i know its a different style of gun but i bought an A400 semi auto in max-4 camo a couple of weeks ago.. the camo finish was incredible.. along the rib it was missing and cracked around the areas where the pins go through the action and on the action itself where big chips.. i sent it back got a new one which was also bad... not as bad though and the chips where not down to the metal so i kept it... but for a gun with an rrp of over two grand its shocking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mentalmac Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Once at the top, the only place to go is down. Happens in many companies with their quality of products. Love the opening line 'I've always been a bit of a beretta man through and through' - with a username of 'BaikalsRule90' haha :-) made my day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 People looked down their noses at Guerinis for a good few years because they're basically tarted up budget guns at non budget gun pricing and the more expensive ones were the same old ho hum mechanics only with lots more bling. Gradually people have begun to realise that they're quite well put together and finished off and that the action, for all it's design similarities with cheap Italian, Spanish and Turkish guns, has been re-engineered to be reliable and long lasting. Guerinis also handle and perform very well, have reasonable triggers and offer lots of options. Quite a lot of AA and AAA sporting clays shooters have moved to Guerini from the usual suspects. I still think they're a somewhat over priced triumph of marketing over engineering, mostly too blingy for my taste and those fiddly adjustable rib thingies would drive me batty, but I have to admit to taking an interest and my next clay gun might well be a Guerini. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaikalsRule90 Posted May 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Once at the top, the only place to go is down. Happens in many companies with their quality of products. Love the opening line 'I've always been a bit of a beretta man through and through' - with a username of 'BaikalsRule90' haha :-) made my day. My first gun was a baikal, it was a brief fling :-P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 You're certainly not the first person I've heard complaining not just about the quality of the finish on new Berettas. I think the rush to meet demand may have taken precedence above QC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 People looked down their noses at Guerinis for a good few years because they're basically tarted up budget guns at non budget gun pricing and the more expensive ones were the same old ho hum mechanics only with lots more bling. Gradually people have begun to realise that they're quite well put together and finished off and that the action, for all it's design similarities with cheap Italian, Spanish and Turkish guns, has been re-engineered to be reliable and long lasting. Guerinis also handle and perform very well, have reasonable triggers and offer lots of options. Quite a lot of AA and AAA sporting clays shooters have moved to Guerini from the usual suspects. I still think they're a somewhat over priced triumph of marketing over engineering, mostly too blingy for my taste and those fiddly adjustable rib thingies would drive me batty, but I have to admit to taking an interest and my next clay gun might well be a Guerini. Rizzini have always been a reasonable gun prices for CG are climbing a d they are gaining alot of followers personally I think there is quite a bit of bandwagon jumping bit people seem willing to trade in amazing guns for CG's (one chap chopped an ASE90) and seem to be rather happy with the result! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 (edited) I bought my first beretta when I restarted shooting about 21/2 years ago. It was a 687 and I still shoot with it 20 odd years later - very good gun for me. However on a clay day I took the opportunity to try a couple of the Guerini's being demonstrated. Beautiful alternative to beretta not clunky like brownings and shoot well. I hit everything I fired at on the layout (3 stands). I would have one tomorrow. Edited May 16, 2014 by Kes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countryman Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 A few years ago my best gun used to be a new Beretta EELL, got fed up with the poor build quality on it, i now shoot an Apex, its less money than the Beretta but a far superior gun both on looks and build, just put the 2 together and you will see what i mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyb79 Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 I have a miroku mk38 but also shoot my wife's beretta 686e on occasions. Last year I bought a CG Magnus sporter 20b as I wanted a lightweight rough shooting gun and I have to say its a delight to shoot. I can't comment on lifespan as I've not had it long, but very pleased with it so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 (edited) I have a Guerini Maxum 20 bore game gun solid rib and 30in barrels which I bought new. I had a good look at Browning and Berreta's and couldn't find anything close to the finish and feel of the Guerini in this price bracket. It's a stonking gun. I couldn't be more pleased with it. Edited May 16, 2014 by Whitebridges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted May 16, 2014 Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Moved from beretta to cg about a year back..will never return.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaikalsRule90 Posted May 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2014 Im beginning to come round I think! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 Love my Maxum. Where can you buy a hand finished sideplated gun which is modular so easy to service with lovely wood and quality build for 3k new? 10 yr warranty and now the second biggest gun manufacturer in Italy. So nice I have two - although one of them for sale as a trade price bargain on here! Sold a DT10 and F3 Pro last year and went over to Guerinis and not regretted it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 I think that is enough praise now or everyone will be getting one. I like turning up at a shoot and being the only one with a CG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salop Matt Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 I have to say being in the market for a new O/U right now, most grade one stocks are in my opinion appalling quality in comparison to what they used to be and most air rifles now have better wood ! Also does this now leave Beeretta Browning and Miroku on a level pegging mechanically ? Because the wood work is all the same from way I can tell ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 How do they sell a grade 3/5 if they put nice wood on a GD1? GD5 MK38 rarely disappoint some of the wood on CG's is rather gawdy and I wonder if it has been enhanced... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 People looked down their noses at Guerinis for a good few years because they're basically tarted up budget guns at non budget gun pricing and the more expensive ones were the same old ho hum mechanics only with lots more bling. Gradually people have begun to realise that they're quite well put together and finished off and that the action, for all it's design similarities with cheap Italian, Spanish and Turkish guns, has been re-engineered to be reliable and long lasting. Guerinis also handle and perform very well, have reasonable triggers and offer lots of options. Quite a lot of AA and AAA sporting clays shooters have moved to Guerini from the usual suspects. I still think they're a somewhat over priced triumph of marketing over engineering, mostly too blingy for my taste and those fiddly adjustable rib thingies would drive me batty, but I have to admit to taking an interest and my next clay gun might well be a Guerini. A very good summation. I will add though that knocking one make or the other is a very cyclical and predictable thing, I am always the first to sing CG's praises in most departments but anyone dissing Beretta with any degree of seriousness is having a larf. Put any Beretta model in a jig alongside ANY comparable model from other makers and fire them till they fail, I will put money on Beretta turning ***** red with reliability and longevity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabbit warren Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 never owned a beretta or browning but got a cg last year tempo light and love it my son got a mangus for his 18th and shoots well with it as well before i bought mine i was looking at a beretta or browning but the cg,s wood was so much better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browning123 Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 My first gun was a baikal, it was a brief fling :-P. They are a very good gun though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retromlc Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 You're certainly not the first person I've heard complaining not just about the quality of the finish on new Berettas. I think the rush to MAKE MONEYmay have taken precedence above QC. fixed that for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 If you like them who cares. Enjoy it and your shooting. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted May 17, 2014 Report Share Posted May 17, 2014 I happened to come across a minter Beretta 687 28g 30ins 6mm rib. Case and all the chokes opened once. Built in 2006 so I peeled off and bought it. From what i've seen they don't make 'em like that any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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