Steppenwolf Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 I again advertise the Countryside Alliance Campaign. I hope everybody fills in their details for the pre letter letter to your local MP. http://www.countryside-alliance.org/ca/campaigns-shooting/ask-your-mp-to-oppose-the-acpo-firearms-campaign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris1961 Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 I do not have a problem with a police officer turning up out of the blue to check that firearms are all locked up secure it won't be worth the hassle to **** them off if it is done in a correct and dignified manor I have no problem at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 If you have time you might let them in but why you have to be forced to on the spot checks, when you can just tell them to call at alater time? People who don't stand up for their rights make it harder for the rest of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) If I were are terrorist or criminal, I certainly wouldnt break into your property,then have to break into your safe And addition safe to get the bolt & bullets, or Shot gun.I would simple follow you to youd permission and clobber you over the head and walk away (or drive coss i could get the keys to your 4x4 as a bonus)with everything. So are the police going to sit with us in a hide all day when we are at our most vulnerable? Why dont they start at the top and nobble the uk banks that fund businesses to supplies arms to terrorists.Or will that be too political and drop some high profile ministers in the ****. Edited October 14, 2014 by Davyo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave-G Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) If you have time you might let them in but why you have to be forced to on the spot checks, when you can just tell them to call at alater time? People who don't stand up for their rights make it harder for the rest of us. That's rather naive really because it gives you time to move the gun from under your bed? I'm wondering if - just maybe - this is a risk assessment precaution in case a few trojan horse IS members already in the country decide their time has come and local firearms are taken to prevent IS getting them. Just a thought that crossed my mind rather than a rant about terrorists and such. Edited October 14, 2014 by Dave-G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 I dont mind them comming, they can visit everyday avery week,might get a discount on my house insurance with a bobby in the house.What they need to do is get their own house in order, it was 2 Durham officers that were sentenced for passing amnesty guns to criminals.We may have FAC/SG cert holder who cant be ***** to put their guns away,I hope they get caught and made an exaple off.But they dont need to tar everyone with the same brush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Spot checks have always happened where i am.never had one myself but my dad had one years ago and a friend had one last year.they dont bother me as my gears always locked up but being tarred with the same brush as a terrorist in a round abouts way really is going too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 That's rather naive really because it gives you time to move the gun from under your bed? I'm wondering if - just maybe - this is a risk assessment precaution in case a few trojan horse IS members already in the country decide their time has come and local firearms are taken to prevent IS getting them. Just a thought that crossed my mind rather than a rant about terrorists and such. Read what Davio has said what is the point in breaking into someone's house when you can steal the guns much easier en route to the shooting location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 One thing that we need to be aware of,is this new amount to hold but you can buy any amount of rounds rubbish.This might encourage FAC holders to over stock so beware they may be hoping to catch people out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Well they can find this pretty easy. Remember when you buy ammo it goes on your license with the amount and date. Make a lot of purchases in a short period of time and have no credible explanation such as target shooting competition or many hunting permissions and you will have some difficult questions asked of you come renewal or variation time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rst1990 Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 thing is guys what you all have to think at the end of the day is....... You have a potentially lethal weapon in your possession and they just want to know that everything is ok. They don't want to drag you through the coals, they just wanna know that your safe and others around you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 they just wanna know that your safe and others around you are. They already did that when my certificates were granted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Can we have a poll? 1, yes I am paranoid and think the police are watching my every move. As you're a copper and unless you're working on your own then they possibly are. I know they aren't watching my every move as we can go days without seeing one around here. 2, yes I believe I am whiter than white as I am the proud owner of a SGC/FAC I therefor I am immune from doing anything wrong. I am certainly not whiter than white but my security is always in order, but for some reason that hasn't prevented ACPO from now considering me a risk to the general public merely because I own firearms, despite perfectly lawfully, and in fact making a statement to that effect not only to the HO but the media, hence the 'initiative'. 3, yes I resent the police for suggesting that we may need to come back and check your security unannounced. I don't resent this at all, I resent the implication that I am possibly a risk to the general public, despite being vetted by the police. 4, yes how very dare someone ring my doorbell without prior warning. I don't resent this either, but what can I expect if on answering the door I say 'we're right in the middle of our tea; do you mind calling back in half an hour" ? And the answer is "no". What grounds do I have for refusing entry based on the criteria set in the 'initiative' as reason to call. 5, yes the very thought of a policeman in uniform attending my house will cause me huge distress. I seriously doubt that, but again, what if he or they 'insist' on coming in, even when I know I have done nothing to warrant the insistence and it genuinely isn't convenient? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 My concern and point too. I have worked with the police for literally years and all those I have worked with are genuine guys, however, suspicion is often a necessary second nature, all well and good doing your normal job as a policeman but with Firearms Cert Holders ? Police used to be concerned about alienating the public well, in this case, and for me, this is what they are doing to Cert holders. Harry, You could have added. Yes I am concerned about further negative propaganda about cert owners, yes I know the powers already exist and should be used but why involve 'terrorism'. New initiatives are fine just so long as they are fair, well thought through and intelligence -led. None of which applies here or to this publicised proposal. Why arent police stopping the trade in illegal guns ? a far more likely source of arms for terrosrists. Why arent they actually doing something more about criminal use of illegally held guns. Good Press and then maybe good work. It needs to be good work deserves good press this proposal is publicity ******* and HAS to be exposed as such. I suspect that very few unannounced visits will actually take place and this is lobbying by Crimestoppers coupled with a response to a Labour bint saying she wanted tougher gun checks. It looks good in an election year if they can make it look like they're doing something about crime and terrorism without actually doing anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 They already did that when my certificates were granted. so nothing changes for the rest of your life then.if things always stayed the same there would be no revoking of certificates ever.sadly this is not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRYAN3 Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 The Goverment,Police,councils,forestry comission,Mod and countless organisations/groups are pecking away at us continually. They all get together to dream up new ways to to stop us- and they will eventually. Even the NRA have been asked to get in on the act AGAIN with their home reloading survey,at the same time ammo sales have to be stored electronicaly. How many more little jabs can we endure? The list is growing rapidly , Lead ban,restrictions on expanding ammo,dsc1 +2,persecution of gamekeepers,game handling license,etc. I can't think of any more at the moment,but there are many more. Me teas ready, BYE, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 One thing that we need to be aware of,is this new amount to hold A new one, is this with Durham, if so what is it...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 A new one, is this with Durham, if so what is it...? any fac from durham has a hold limit but no buy limit for amunition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 A new one, is this with Durham, if so what is it...? I was under the impression thst it not just Durham,apparently on new applications you state what you want to legally hold,lets say for an example 600 .22,but there is no restriction on what you can buy.I was in Richardsons garden centre (dont know if you are familiar with it) but its handy and close for me for rimmies.I got on chatting with a member of staff when I went to get some whinnies,and there not to happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Prawn Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 any fac from durham has a hold limit but no buy limit for amunition. All FAC now since the new forms came in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 I was under the impression thst it not just Durham,apparently on new applications you state what you want to legally hold,lets say for an example 600 .22,but there is no restriction on what you can buy.I was in Richardsons garden centre (dont know if you are familiar with it) but its handy and close for me for rimmies.I got on chatting with a member of staff when I went to get some whinnies,and there not to happy. thats my local too took my fac there when I renewed and they had not seen one before. All forces issue this now I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 So those that dont have an RDF close may take that risk of say buying 1000rds when they can only hold 500 for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckyshot Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) double post Edited October 14, 2014 by Luckyshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) Has anyone on this site had an unannounced vist,because I have never met anyone who has? Yes.....I have, got visited at around 10pm one evening a few years back. Also....here is a different view of the proposals from a non shooting perspective....... http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/10/14/Police-Begin-Campaign-Of-Unannounced-Visits-To-Gun-Owners-Homes#disqus_thread Edited October 14, 2014 by Sprackles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davyo Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) Durham are on a the onus is on you to be safe not the cheif superintendent Same as 1 condition and thats an open condition,my 15yr old son got his FAC/SGC this year and his FAC is open. Edited October 14, 2014 by Davyo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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