Old Bull Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 A shotgun has been stolen from a van outside a pub in East Yorkshire http://www.humberside.police.uk/newsmedia/east-riding-theft-of-shotgun-from-vehicle-parked-at-star-inn-north-dalton-appeal-for-witnesses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Oh dear.i bet the poor blokes absolutely haggard.stupid thing to do though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Totally Irresponsible and shouldn't be a licence holder imo , throw the book at him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Think its safe to say hell have lost his ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougy Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Oh yes hang the gun owner, burn down his house too while you at it. He popped in for a drink on his way home with his pals. I can only assume it's the pub bit that's annoying you. Maybe popping in to church to take communion would be more acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich1985 Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 As long as the gun was locked in the car out of sight the gun owner has done absolutely nothing wrong and no he should not then lose his ticket, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) It has nothing to do with the pub.?? It says the window was smashed , which to me indicates it was in view , if he can't take 30 seconds to put it out of sight it's his own fault.. You go through all the hoops and hastle to gain a ticket , so just be extra careful is all I'm saying Edited January 30, 2015 by fruity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Without the full facts it would seem that there are a couple of things wrong here firstly the gun was obviously not hidden from view of the casual thief. So security issues there also drinking and driving.either way it shows at least a casual approach to the laws of this country.And as for the above yes we should blame the gun owner who else would you blame.But at the end of the day another negative to go on the statistics against us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Shoots often go for a pub lunch or evening meal and shotguns get left in cars. It would be unlikely for them to take them into the pub with them. It's a case of taking reasonable precautions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye18 Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Should have taken his gun home then gone to the boozer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kes Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Always dangerous to hypothesize, also always wise to perhaps put yourself in his position. He may have taken the foreend into the pub, the thief may have been on the shoot with him and known his habits. We simply dont know and would feel a bit ****** if others jumped to erroneous conclusions, were the roles reversed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetter Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Some of the comments seem a bit harsh it doesnt say the gun was on view maybe someone saw something else they wanted who knows a coat, maybe saw a sat nav cable and bagged the gun at the same time. Was he dropping to the pub after a shoot with his mates whos to say he was drinking. The bit at the bottom of the article is standard police advice for keeping items safe in your car it doesnt state the gun was in view. Also as Kes said whos to say the thieves dont not have a shotgun without any foreend. IT doesnt automatically follow that the person is going to lose their ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolkngood Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Hold on.......who says he was drinking alcohol (have you ever gone to a pub to eat and not consumed alcohol?) and where does it say it was left in view? There are many occasions where shooters will stop for one reason or another on the way to or from their shooting venue. It does not make them all irresponsible gun owners. Yes if he was a couple of miles from home he 'could' have taken gun home first......but the law doesn't state that and what if he wasn't? A group of us went to Wales earlier this season and we all stopped at services on way and left guns locked out of sign on vehicles. Is this considered irresponsible? It was a van and maybe nothing was on view and the theif was expecting tools or other 'swag' to steal? If vehicle was locked and gun out of sight then he's done little wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil3728 Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 It does say his coat was also taken, I know in the past I've used a cost to cover my guns up when I have had to stop. Some comments do seem a little bit quick to jump on the poor bloke who must be gutted. Personally I do think it was a silly thing to do, but again I know a few people who have done the same thing especially after a good shoot. One reason I bought a lockable gun draw for the back of my 110. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungler Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 As long as the gun was locked in the car out of sight the gun owner has done absolutely nothing wrong and no he should not then lose his ticket, Exactly. Let he who has not left a shooter in the back of a locked van or in the boot of a locked car throw the first stone. Don't let not knowing the facts and the opportunity for a holier than thou rant up get in anyways way though. I'm all for hanging the bloke and his wife and kids because it wasn't me who it happened to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy835 Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 yes the key board warriors are off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docholiday Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) Same old keyboard warriors hanging the bloke without having a clue of what happened. I often stop for a drink /bite to eat on the way home from shooting, are you suggesting I am irresponsible drunken Doc, maybe you should contact the GMC and have my licence to practice removed while you are at it makes me wonder if these people actually own a gun, if they do I suspect they rarely take it out of the safe. But bet they tell all there mates, well if they have any, what Rambo's they are Edited January 30, 2015 by docholiday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) I guess it is a bit harsh to blame the owner. After all who's responsibility is it to take adequate measures to secure your guns at all times. The back of a van in a public place with a coat or other such thing to hide it along with all the protection that a van widow offers is obviously good enough. And no i do not and never have left my guns in a unattended vehicle never stopped at a pub or cafe on the way home from shooting. Yes maybe that makes me a miserable old *** but my guns mean more to me than a hour in the pub.How difficult is it to fit a chain or a safe in the van not that hard I have car.truck and van so I know it can be done easily and cheaply. It is the certificate holders responsibility to secure and in this case it clearly was not.If it had been stolen from his home from its cabinet then that is a different matter as all reasonable precautions would have been taken.Either way another legally held firearm is now in the hands of the criminal element.atb Edited January 30, 2015 by bostonmick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bentos Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 happened to a lad I know, caused him lots of bother but sorted in the end, after that happened we cleared it with the pub that we could bring slipped guns into the pub, problem solved, if I stop on the way home I now take the slipped gun with me, I suggest we learn from the lesson above, do not judge and hope he gets support from the BASC to retain his licence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie10 Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 So it was the gun owners fault it was stolen not the person that broke into the van to see what he could nick. So the victims fault. right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penelope Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Never stops Bostondick from having a swipe though. Some of the comments seem a bit harsh it doesnt say the gun was on view maybe someone saw something else they wanted who knows a coat, maybe saw a sat nav cable and bagged the gun at the same time. Was he dropping to the pub after a shoot with his mates whos to say he was drinking. The bit at the bottom of the article is standard police advice for keeping items safe in your car it doesnt state the gun was in view. Also as Kes said whos to say the thieves dont not have a shotgun without any foreend. IT doesnt automatically follow that the person is going to lose their ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Same old keyboard warriors hanging the bloke without having a clue of what happened. I often stop for a drink /bite to eat on the way home from shooting, are you suggesting I am irresponsible drunken Doc, maybe you should contact the GMC and have my licence to practice removed while you are at it makes me wonder if these people actually own a gun, if they do I suspect they rarely take it out of the safe. But bet they tell all there mates, well if they have any, what Rambo's they are So just because you do it, it's ok and safe, and everyone else who has a different opinion to you are wrong, don't go out shooting, have no friends and are a keyboard warrior ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adi786 Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 it is not that necessary that someone is only going to smash the window if it is visible, what if someone is standing on side, and can clearly see ah there hunters back from evening flight or pheasant shoot and all got weapons in car... wow they all going for a drink before departure time to smash the nearest and safe side car lets do it... bang there you go.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westward Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Somewhat off topic I suppose but I wonder why an apparently casual thief would steal a shotgun. What is a shotgun worth on the black market? He can't exactly take it down to the local social club and sell it and if he's caught in possession of a firearm it's 10:1 he'll go down, whereas if he's caught with stolen laptop/camera/tablet etc. it's a slap on the wrist and 20 days community service which he won't do. Just wondering what the motive is to steal a shotgun... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 So it was the gun owners fault it was stolen not the person that broke into the van to see what he could nick. So the victims fault. right. No not the owners fault it was stolen but it was his fault it was left vulnerable to be so easily stolen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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