KFC Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 My only question would be 'Who's going to take responsibility when they extend beyond Thetford Forest and start damaging our gamestocks'? http://www.buryfreepress.co.uk/news/local/latest-news/lynx-could-be-released-into-thetford-forest-1-6621722 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I bet the tourists will lurve being chased by a Lynx while they're on their mountain bikes! Centre Parcs will advertise it as a great weight loss excercise programe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolkngood Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Think it'll go the same way as the planned reintroduction of the Sea Eagle on the Norfolk coast. They say it's to help manage deer numbers?? So there's a hungry Lynx looking to snack....does it a) try to stalk, chase and kill a fit and agile deer b) nibble on someone's aged poodle or c) seek some fenced in lambs, piglets or game birds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scully Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Dog walking will never be the same again. Think it'll go the same way as the planned reintroduction of the Sea Eagle on the Norfolk coast.They say it's to help manage deer numbers??So there's a hungry Lynx looking to snack....does it a) try to stalk, chase and kill a fit and agile deer b) nibble on someone's aged poodle or c) seek some fenced in lambs, piglets or game birds? Got it in one. I have no idea which planet these people are inhabiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Lynx are fine in a remote area of Europe, not in a populated UK where, as Suffolkngood, states, their food won't need to be hunted as it can be picked up easily whilst strolling through the nearest village. Just as ****** stupid as reintroducing wolves in Scotland. Do I laugh or cry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 There is a supposedly strict protocol for reintroductions and lynx will never tick the boxes. They need space that we just dont have in the UK. They would have to be so contained that they would never 'naturalise'. If they want to chuffing reintroduce something why not research the feasibilty of burbot? They are only recently extirpated and are far less likely to result in negative outcomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmytree Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 We need cougars. http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=AwrB8p9m9f1UZRsAOiSJzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTIyMmVsNGZoBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1nBG9pZANkNTBjZDI2MmY3Yzk2OTMxYTFiNzhhZDBkMzQzOTMxMgRncG9zAzEEaXQDYmluZw--?.origin=&back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fyhs%2Fsearch%3Fp%3Dcougar%2Bin%2Ba%2Btree%2Bwoman%26hsimp%3Dyhs-selfserve_52fa1d14b739f479%26hspart%3Dsdownload%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D1&w=500&h=500&imgurl=lolzombie.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F10%2Fcougar-tree.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Flolzombie.com%2F9401%2Fshhh-cougar-sleeping%2F&size=58.4KB&name=%3Cb%3Ecougar%3C%2Fb%3E-%3Cb%3Etree%3C%2Fb%3E.jpg&p=cougar+in+a+tree+woman&oid=d50cd262f7c96931a1b78ad0d3439312&fr2=&fr=&tt=%3Cb%3Ecougar%3C%2Fb%3E-%3Cb%3Etree%3C%2Fb%3E.jpg&b=0&ni=128&no=1&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=11fqdtinh&sigb=149r6q6d3&sigi=11ohro7ok&sigt=10tnrsv2u&sign=10tnrsv2u&.crumb=8CEAmDWbHVS&hsimp=yhs-selfserve_52fa1d14b739f479&hspart=sdownload Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolkngood Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I think they said on the news tonight that they're hoping to release 6 with radio collars on them on a private estate adjacent to Thetford Forrest. No mention was made to enclosing them in any shape or form. We need cougars.http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=AwrB8p9m9f1UZRsAOiSJzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTIyMmVsNGZoBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1nBG9pZANkNTBjZDI2MmY3Yzk2OTMxYTFiNzhhZDBkMzQzOTMxMgRncG9zAzEEaXQDYmluZw--?.origin=&back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fyhs%2Fsearch%3Fp%3Dcougar%2Bin%2Ba%2Btree%2Bwoman%26hsimp%3Dyhs-selfserve_52fa1d14b739f479%26hspart%3Dsdownload%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D1&w=500&h=500&imgurl=lolzombie.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F10%2Fcougar-tree.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Flolzombie.com%2F9401%2Fshhh-cougar-sleeping%2F&size=58.4KB&name=cougar<%2Fb>-tree<%2Fb>.jpg&p=cougar+in+a+tree+woman&oid=d50cd262f7c96931a1b78ad0d3439312&fr2=&fr=&tt=cougar<%2Fb>-tree<%2Fb>.jpg&b=0&ni=128&no=1&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=11fqdtinh&sigb=149r6q6d3&sigi=11ohro7ok&sigt=10tnrsv2u&sign=10tnrsv2u&.crumb=8CEAmDWbHVS&hsimp=yhs-selfserve_52fa1d14b739f479&hspart=sdownload I wasn't expecting that kind of Cougar lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I just love beavers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolkngood Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Weasels on Peckers and Beavers on Cougars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmytree Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Would much prefer that cougars beaver on my pecker and the weasel can take a running jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBob Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 What's the problem, lots of species have been introduced into the wild without issue. For example, Japanese knotweed, wild boar, muntjac deer, grey squirrels and signal crayfish......... Before someone points out that lynx were once an indigenous species, I would argue that re-introducing a large carnivore in 2015 is very different to the ecological niche that it inhabited several hundred years ago, long before motorways, A roads and widespread human colonisation of the habitat. They would either be killed on the roads, surreptitiously shot, or simply fail to thrive and die out, unless the proposed habitat was absolutely suitable. There is the question of livestock, and possibly human, attack. Nice thought, but not in today's UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVB Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I went to Thetford once (town not forest). Grim place. Hopefully the Lynx will invade the town and devour the population. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I support the reintroduction ... good luck to their efforts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longspoon Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I went to Thetford once (town not forest). Grim place. Hopefully the Lynx will invade the town and devour the population. Sensible well thought out comment...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 They are probably already there......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFN Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 There is a supposedly strict protocol for reintroductions and lynx will never tick the boxes. Because they have a hell of a struggle to hold a pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisjpainter Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 They are probably already there......... Impossible. Definitely not. No way.* The whole idea isn't quite as daft as it may seem. Lynx are odd cats. They seem to heavily specialise on particular prey, depending on the area. Even when prey densities are low, they prefer to seek out their favoured delicacy than tackle something else. Populations in Switzerland seem to prefer chamois, those in Poland like red deer, some populations in Sweden prefer reindeer, while others stick to roe - even when there's overlap of prey species. It's not impossible that the lynx in this country could feed almost exclusively off one type of deer, and then supplement with that diet with another type of smaller deer, thus have no interest in sheep or poodles. They can also quite happily exist in much smaller home ranges. Their max is about 450 km sq, but have been recorded in areas as small as 30km sq. There is also a EU directive that requires countries to actively pursue a programme of reintroducing species that have been extinct through human conflict, where it's appropriate. It seems a bit extreme to take that back 1,500 years, but there we go! They do have almost Lazarus-like abilities to come back from the brink, if the population takes hold they could well flourish - especially in the absence of wolves - which could mean deer numbers get hit hard. It's not inconceivable that their numbers might need to be managed by responsible, efficient members of the shooting community Anyway, this is the LynxUK trying to force Natural England's hand. They've been in talks with NE for months now about trying to get the licenses for the reintroduction, they've had habitat assessments ready and completed nothing's really happened. Suddenly it all gets kick-started a month or so after beavers won the right to stay based on overwhelming public support? call me cynical, but the timing can't be a coincidence. Personally, I think it'd be a giggle, but it's not my sheep that would be eaten if it did all go wrong! If it all went as LynxUK imagine, it could be brilliant. If it doesn't, Natural England are going to have a lot of claims for compensation! *there is also definitely not a freezer in a laboratory with the remains of a shot lynx that had no genetic passport, no connection with a zoo, yet had apparently been living quite happily without anyone knowing about it. No such event has happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 gutted ,,,heres me thinking you meant this type of cougar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grrclark Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Because they have a hell of a struggle to hold a pen. should not be left to go unappreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggysreels Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 The only thing l've heard regards Thetford is the Porta Potti ... l suppose the initial idea of having a dump on a plastic, swivelling toilet sounded a dodgy idea ... makes the Lynx release sound all the more normal ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ack-ack Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Because they have a hell of a struggle to hold a pen. He's here all week folks. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogone Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 I doubt if lynx will be much of a factor in game populations. Here in N. Canada. they live on hares and rabbits, a few birds and such.They like dense cover so I doubt if they would be anywhere near the grouse or pheasants. I have never heard of one taking anything bigger than a beaver and that was a young beaver. People live in Lynx country for years and never see one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFC Posted March 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 Impossible. Definitely not. No way.* The whole idea isn't quite as daft as it may seem. Lynx are odd cats. They seem to heavily specialise on particular prey, depending on the area. Even when prey densities are low, they prefer to seek out their favoured delicacy than tackle something else. Populations in Switzerland seem to prefer chamois, those in Poland like red deer, some populations in Sweden prefer reindeer, while others stick to roe - even when there's overlap of prey species. It's not impossible that the lynx in this country could feed almost exclusively off one type of deer, and then supplement with that diet with another type of smaller deer, thus have no interest in sheep or poodles. They can also quite happily exist in much smaller home ranges. Their max is about 450 km sq, but have been recorded in areas as small as 30km sq. There is also a EU directive that requires countries to actively pursue a programme of reintroducing species that have been extinct through human conflict, where it's appropriate. It seems a bit extreme to take that back 1,500 years, but there we go! They do have almost Lazarus-like abilities to come back from the brink, if the population takes hold they could well flourish - especially in the absence of wolves - which could mean deer numbers get hit hard. It's not inconceivable that their numbers might need to be managed by responsible, efficient members of the shooting community Anyway, this is the LynxUK trying to force Natural England's hand. They've been in talks with NE for months now about trying to get the licenses for the reintroduction, they've had habitat assessments ready and completed nothing's really happened. Suddenly it all gets kick-started a month or so after beavers won the right to stay based on overwhelming public support? call me cynical, but the timing can't be a coincidence. Personally, I think it'd be a giggle, but it's not my sheep that would be eaten if it did all go wrong! If it all went as LynxUK imagine, it could be brilliant. If it doesn't, Natural England are going to have a lot of claims for compensation! *there is also definitely not a freezer in a laboratory with the remains of a shot lynx that had no genetic passport, no connection with a zoo, yet had apparently been living quite happily without anyone knowing about it. No such event has happened. That's my point. If it works well no doubt NE will lap up the praise but if they spread like Muntjac and do start causing problems, like Buzzards, then will NE take responsiblity and compensate for damage caused? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgun Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 Because they have a hell of a struggle to hold a pen. surely any box ticking would be online, like the burbot idea ack ack although not quite as glamorous as a lynx, what about introducing the mink ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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