flynny Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 True mate , there's more news worthy events that should be brought to light in this crazy world we ALL live on No intervention was allowed this child was dying and I find this utterly deplorable. As did the photographer as he took his own life.&&0 Jesus,thats a haunting picture Flynny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmick Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 so cecil lived and fed his pride by the laws of the jungle.fair enough.the child in the picture is a dreadfull image,i cannot imagine how somebody could witness such acts and not step in.however that said I wonder how many billions have been given to these countries in aid over the years and yet they do not seem to have moved on even the tiniest bit.although I believe that india has put some of its aid money to good use and started a space programme.i have and still do give to charity some to foreign ones but mainly I stick to our own.i also think it is a dreadfull state when our country the 5th richest (allegedly) has child cancer hospitals and hospices that have to rely on donations.the cost of a couple of missiles would go a long way to fund some of the treatment and care they need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
achosenman Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 (edited) I don't agree with the way the lion was taken but this is what we should think about and act upon No intervention was allowed this child was dying and I find this utterly deplorable. As did the photographer as he took his own life. There is some disagreement about the circumstances to this Pulitzer Prize photo. What the true circumstances were, was disputed at the time. The situation remains so. Wikipedia has some info if you're interested. Atb Edited August 7, 2015 by achosenman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferguson_tom Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Horrible picture to see and deal with if you were the one taking it. I have a big issue with our intervention in Africa and similar places as all the charities seem to be dealing with the issues caused by our intervention in the first place and so the cycle continues, putting developed ideals on an undeveloped country has proven not to work. All countries go through a natural development (including the UK) and unfortunately this includes high infant mortality rates, however the majority of children used to die of infections and disease but now its due to malnutrition and starvation which IMO is worse for the child and of course the people who see it and want to help.... I may be wrong but if we had not intervened in the first place and offered vaccines etc then there would be less children for the country and family to support thus allowing them to support the children that have survived more effectively. Once again its the powers that be doing the "right" thing at the time and not thinking forward in time. As for Cecil, so what people will forget about it by next month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Clavata Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Why no intervention allowed ? Have the parents continued to breed, to bring children in to a place that can't support them or have they been sterilised? You are possibly applying developed world values to a non developed world scenario... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 You are possibly applying developed world values to a non developed world scenario... I certainly am, as it's the developed world that keeps sticking it's nose in. Why can't aid be tied in to birth control? Why do we have to keep bringing these children into the world, as it's us that do? Without all this aid going to places that are by nature unable to support the population there would be very few children dying. make no mistake, folk that give aid are doing this !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd90 Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 I certainly am, as it's the developed world that keeps sticking it's nose in. Why can't aid be tied in to birth control? Why do we have to keep bringing these children into the world, as it's us that do? Without all this aid going to places that are by nature unable to support the population there would be very few children dying. make no mistake, folk that give aid are doing this !! From what I've heard first hand off lads who worked on the ships, they have to wait for ages in port to dock, because of all the ships waiting to unload the aid supplies. Most of which then just sit and rot on the side of the dock. My neighbour was also only telling me yesterday how when in the Army they used to escort a load of medicine meant for a lepper colony. Once they got it to the locals to give to them it was well known they'd take the food and medicine and sell it to the local black market. We seem to think these peoples are like us or want to live like us. But they have grown up surrounded by ruthless people and a cut throat culture. One man told him it is the white man's fault for it all. He said before youd have 12 kids, by the will of Allah 10 would die. That was the way of their lord. Along comes the white man with medicine and now all 12 live, we think we're saving people, but there isn't enough resources and food for all those people It's a tough situation , but that picture is heart breaking :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 image.jpg No intervention was allowed this child was dying and I find this utterly deplorable. As did the photographer as he took his own life.&&0 Where’s a big game hunter when you need one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpkiller Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 That picture of the child and vulture is notoriously fake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoot and be safe Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 That picture of the child and vulture is notoriously fakeIt certainly puts a strong message out even if it is fake. I would like to hope it is as it's very disturbing the fact the photographer, allegedly didn't intervene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger-Mouse Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 That picture of the child and vulture is notoriously fake Not according to snopes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sian Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Well I can't help but be moved by that picture. I can't imagine a third world mother not wanting the same for her child as a first world mother. I am as guilty as the next for my over indulgence and greed and wastefulness and I don't know what the answers are but I have never known true hunger and I only have to turn a tap on to be able to have a drink of water or a bath. What makes it right that African children should die to keep the numbers in check so that there are less to feed! Can you imagine applying that to our own? As I said I don't have the answers but I think instead of throwing funding at the problem more hands on help should be offered and the funding should go to international groups that help organise education, building projects, water management, etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotslad Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 From what I've heard first hand off lads who worked on the ships, they have to wait for ages in port to dock, because of all the ships waiting to unload the aid supplies. Most of which then just sit and rot on the side of the dock. My neighbour was also only telling me yesterday how when in the Army they used to escort a load of medicine meant for a lepper colony. Once they got it to the locals to give to them it was well known they'd take the food and medicine and sell it to the local black market. We seem to think these peoples are like us or want to live like us. But they have grown up surrounded by ruthless people and a cut throat culture. One man told him it is the white man's fault for it all. He said before youd have 12 kids, by the will of Allah 10 would die. That was the way of their lord. Along comes the white man with medicine and now all 12 live, we think we're saving people, but there isn't enough resources and food for all those people It's a tough situation , but that picture is heart breaking :( That is a really scary thought, never thought of it like that before. My mother was fairly recently out in eastern europe with a christian charity trying to help kids/orphans, she was shocked the way many were treated in a mainly muslim society and were relying on the christians to 'save'/look after them. But that makes sense esp in by gone days before contraception was really invented, could be argued still not used over there. My point was going to be since the story first blew up in the press 55 kids under 5 have died EVERY HOUR of maliria alone!! in southern africa. Something like 10 thousand lifes at the start of the week. For the photo, i find it very very hard to believe the photographer didnae intervene, i know with wildlife photos ur not meant to intervene (remember the baby elephant walking the wrong way on its mothers trail in the desert, 1 of the BBC programmes can still picture Attenburghs commentry, at end of show was 5 mns about filming an they said could not intervene) BUT very different when talking about a human life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sian Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 He wasn't allowed to touch her, that was the norm then so as not to introduce disease. He did however regret not helping her although she did make it to the feeding station. The vulture landed seeing an opportunity, the photographer seeing his opportunity took his photo and then scared it off afterwards. Part of his reasoning for taking his life, amongst his first world troubles of lack of money etc was the horror and pain he had witnessed during his career. At the very least I see is a child that needed help and who was distressed and who did not receive it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 He wasn't allowed to touch her, that was the norm then so as not to introduce disease. He did however regret not helping her although she did make it to the feeding station. The vulture landed seeing an opportunity, the photographer seeing his opportunity took his photo and then scared it off afterwards. Part of his reasoning for taking his life, amongst his first world troubles of lack of money etc was the horror and pain he had witnessed during his career. At the very least I see is a child that needed help and who was distressed and who did not receive it. Yes, but what about the lion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sian Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 Yes, but what about the lion? What about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westley Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 Yes, but what about the lion? What Lion ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STOTTO Posted August 9, 2015 Report Share Posted August 9, 2015 See, how easily we forget, ‘Long live the King’, the new one, until he is shot that is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger Posted August 9, 2015 Report Share Posted August 9, 2015 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyD Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Update: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/zimbabwe/12166651/Cecil-effect-leaves-parks-lion-at-risk-of-cull.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Let's see if the bbc and newspapers make so much of the fact the "do gooders" have now caused 200 to be culled. Bet we hardly hear a peep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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