rodp Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 And yet I ran series 3's for years, and never had any problems at all to speak of. I owned the last one for 12 years and never had one breakdown. I did have minor things due to me being lax with maintenance at times, such as having to come back from a camping trip with bean tins clamped round the silencer. I daresay the box was many years old though, I just couldn't be bothered to change it. I was also aware they're not the most comfortable vehicle in the world so I didn't run them then moan about the ride The last 300 defender I had I ran for ten years and again never had a breakdown, this one I maintained a little better As for the td5, well I just wouldn't buy one. Methinks somewhere down the line you either (A) don't know what you're buying or (B) buying cheap. As for japs, I tried a surf and it died towing (bag of Japanese rubbish), my sons RAV is a constant source of trouble, His Girls Shogun has now gone due to repair bills, My mates Pajero has always (I mean always) got something that needs replacing Glow plugs playing up now). Another mates Land cruisr nearly killed him on the motorway with a known problem (brakes). The list could go on and on. If you're buying LR buy well, they've been around for so long there's loads about and a lot are abused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xr1200 Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 And yet I ran series 3's for years, and never had any problems at all to speak of. I owned the last one for 12 years and never had one breakdown. I did have minor things due to me being lax with maintenance at times, such as having to come back from a camping trip with bean tins clamped round the silencer. I daresay the box was many years old though, I just couldn't be bothered to change it. I was also aware they're not the most comfortable vehicle in the world so I didn't run them then moan about the ride The last 300 defender I had I ran for ten years and again never had a breakdown, this one I maintained a little better As for the td5, well I just wouldn't buy one. Methinks somewhere down the line you either (A) don't know what you're buying or (B) buying cheap. As for japs, I tried a surf and it died towing (bag of Japanese rubbish), my sons RAV is a constant source of trouble, His Girls Shogun has now gone due to repair bills, My mates Pajero has always (I mean always) got something that needs replacing Glow plugs playing up now). Another mates Land cruisr nearly killed him on the motorway with a known problem (brakes). The list could go on and on. If you're buying LR buy well, they've been around for so long there's loads about and a lot are abused. good advice for some reason people think there like tanks and you can run around without maintaining them I've done 40000 in my 300 tdi and its never let me down its cost me about £100 quid in parts what other vehicle do you know that could do that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirDread Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 I have owned a disco 2 TD5 for nearly 2 years and while I really enjoy using it I would not touch another landrover. I wouldn't tar all cars with the same brush as that is unfair however look at the number of recalls across the disco 2 & 3, its appalling. The build quality of the cars has to be the worse there is. Yes parts are cheap but if your motor is garage maintained you need a second mortgage to keep it on the road. I would argue some peoples definition of "preventative maintenance" as below is what mine has failed on in the last 2 years. The trouble with landy ownership in my view is you land up with too much money in them, to sell them would mean losing a fortune and the fear of getting it all again makes its hard work calling it a day. I get the whole great car to drive and it is extremely capable but also on my car purchasing list is reliability. If its not on yours then LR all day long. Oil pump bolt sheared - Seized engine (Breakdown) Blown gearbox oil cooler pipe (Breakdown) Failed water pump (Breakdown) Failed front prop unijoint Front calipers Front disks x 2 sets Rear calipers Sunroof, complete reseal to body as well as new rubbers Leaking windscreen Warped exhaust manifold Leaking ABS pipes Leaking camshaft seal Leaking cam cover gasket Oil in ECU harness Leaking transfer box Noisy torque convertor Leaking steering box Replaced all the suspension Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malkiserow Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 I hope this is not the norm but a mate has had the turbo replaced with less than 5000 miles from new on his Ford Ranger pickup. I thought they were supposed to be great vehicles He drives it very gently to and from work on the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 well i like landrovers......i have had 3 disco's...all in warranty thank god they were...and i have a friend with a modern range rover...he has spent more in repairs on that than i bought my landrover for i have had landrovers....not discos freelanders or rangerovers since 1977 in the worst possible environments and with general maintenance have never been let down.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rimfire4969 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 My 90 has not lost and has possibly increased in value since I bought it a couple of years back, not sure that's happened to many jap 4 x 4's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuji Shooter Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) I have owned 3 series landys, 9 Discos and 2 Range Rovers. Never had a big bill on any of them and sold them all for the same or more money than I paid for them. If you take your time and buy the right one they are as good as money in the bank. Problem is most people try to buy the best spec they can for as little as they can as not bother to dig into the actual service history. Edited September 30, 2015 by Freakmode Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimotu66 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 The series 11 was the most uncomfortable basic car that I have had the misfortune to drive and had all sorts of electric problems . Harnser I had to laugh at this one Harnser, uncomfortable yes they definitely are but electric problems??? Theres only about 10 wires in the whole car Here is food for thought. Top 10 most reliable cars 2015 (taken from AutoExpress). 1. Toyota iQ - 98.81% 2. Lexus NX - 98.71% 3. Lexus IS Mk3 - 98.58% 4. Hyundai i10 Mk2 - 98.46% 5. Honda Jazz Mk2 - 97.86% 6. Lexus GS Mk3 - 97.59% 7. Toyota RAV4 Mk4 - 97.50% 8. Nissan LEAF - 97.45%. Bottom 10 cars for reliability191. Citroen C5 Mk2 86.88% 192. Land Rover Range Rover Sport Mk1 86.00% 193. Peugeot 407 85.91% 194. Alfa Romeo MiTo 85.35% 195. Volvo V50 85.21% 196. BMW 3 Series Coupe/Convertible Mk5 84.78% 197. Ford Galaxy Mk3 83.56% 198. BMW 5 Series Mk5 83.48% 199. Land Rover Range Rover Mk3 79.57% 200. Land Rover Discovery Mk3 78.36% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimotu66 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 My 4x4 experiences. Starting with my first Land Rover, 1962 Series 11a petrol, my 2nd car at 18 years old, scrapped at 30+ years old with rotten chassis. Then on to various series Land Rovers from series 11 lightweight, 2x series 11a diesel,2x series 111 diesel all with several faults rot and mechanical but they where old and I was young and abusive towards them. 2x 300tdi Disco's great trucks and very little problem usual rear arch rot and leaky sunroofs included. 1x TD5 Disco, absolute pile of dog doo, rotten chassis, blown radiator and cylinder head and all sorts of lights flashing on the dash as and when they wanted to. 1x Isuzu Trooper 3.0 diesel, a few small problems that where easily sorted, very reliable powerful truck, very comfy and not to bad on fuel. 1x 2005 Mitsubishi L200 Animal great truck, no issues, only sold to buy a estate car which was a mistake. My current car, another 2005 L200 Animal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 I have owned 3 series landys, 9 Discos and 2 Range Rovers. Never had a big bill on any of them and sold them all for the same or more money than I paid for them. If you take your time and buy the right one they are as good as money in the bank. Problem is most people try to buy the best spec they can for as little as they can as not bother to dig into the actual service history. Never a truer word spoken. The times folk have said "picked this up the other day for X amount, what a bargain". Yeah right, wait a few weeks. Chap at work told me a few weeks ago he had to drive to Cumbria to pick up a 90 his son had bought unseen , bargain at £1600 (200 tdi), absolute minter. I told him not to bother even driving up there as it will be junk, good 90's fetch a lot more. But no, they had to go and drive it back Came in a couple of days later asking how to remove rear tub to do "a bit of welding". They've been on it 3 weeks now and still not done You just know that give it a few months and they'll get fed up, sell it off and then bad mouth 90's. Not once will they mention the fact that they're both ********* and bought something that had been in the sea and they know nothing about. According to them all 90's will be rot boxes and the one they paid "good money" for was one of the better ones but still rotten. But they'll both still be experts down the pub Seen this too many times now, folk want one but either can't afford one so buy junk or haven't a clue about motors and buy junk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xr1200 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Look at the reliability tables for cars sold in this country . My son in law has a brand new top of the range Range Rover ,cost over 100 k . To date one new turbo ,2 new centre consuls . 1 new rear tv screen . It has key less entry and twice land rover assist has had to come out to let him into the car ,and just 10 k miles on the clock . Said that you never want to own a land rover out of warranty . I am afraid that I must agree with him . Harnser my mates got a navara wheel bearing goes new axle another mates got an l200 water pump seized engine blew up whats your point both were less than 12 month old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 my mates got a navara wheel bearing goes new axle another mates got an l200 water pump seized engine blew up whats your point both were less than 12 month old Shh, you're not allowed to say that, only LR's can be slagged off :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Friend of mine had a navara and for want of a better phrase it cracked in half, chassis went behind cab..... Having said that, it's the only one I have heard of that did that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted September 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 I had to laugh at this one Harnser, uncomfortable yes they definitely are but electric problems??? Theres only about 10 wires in the whole car Here is food for thought. Top 10 most reliable cars 2015 (taken from AutoExpress). 1. Toyota iQ - 98.81% 2. Lexus NX - 98.71% 3. Lexus IS Mk3 - 98.58% 4. Hyundai i10 Mk2 - 98.46% 5. Honda Jazz Mk2 - 97.86% 6. Lexus GS Mk3 - 97.59% 7. Toyota RAV4 Mk4 - 97.50% 8. Nissan LEAF - 97.45%. Bottom 10 cars for reliability191. Citroen C5 Mk2 86.88%192. Land Rover Range Rover Sport Mk1 86.00% 193. Peugeot 407 85.91% 194. Alfa Romeo MiTo 85.35% 195. Volvo V50 85.21% 196. BMW 3 Series Coupe/Convertible Mk5 84.78% 197. Ford Galaxy Mk3 83.56% 198. BMW 5 Series Mk5 83.48%199. Land Rover Range Rover Mk3 79.57% 200. Land Rover Discovery Mk3 78.36% My series only had 3 wires ,a green one .a red one and a black one . The electrical problems I had was from coil , condenser,points ,distributor and any other thing that needed electric Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matone Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 I had to laugh at this one Harnser, uncomfortable yes they definitely are but electric problems??? Theres only about 10 wires in the whole car Here is food for thought. Top 10 most reliable cars 2015 (taken from AutoExpress). 1. Toyota iQ - 98.81% 2. Lexus NX - 98.71% 3. Lexus IS Mk3 - 98.58% 4. Hyundai i10 Mk2 - 98.46% 5. Honda Jazz Mk2 - 97.86% 6. Lexus GS Mk3 - 97.59% 7. Toyota RAV4 Mk4 - 97.50% 8. Nissan LEAF - 97.45%. Bottom 10 cars for reliability191. Citroen C5 Mk2 86.88% 192. Land Rover Range Rover Sport Mk1 86.00% 193. Peugeot 407 85.91% 194. Alfa Romeo MiTo 85.35% 195. Volvo V50 85.21% 196. BMW 3 Series Coupe/Convertible Mk5 84.78% 197. Ford Galaxy Mk3 83.56% 198. BMW 5 Series Mk5 83.48% 199. Land Rover Range Rover Mk3 79.57% 200. Land Rover Discovery Mk3 78.36% `Bout sums them up ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimotu66 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 My series only had 3 wires ,a green one .a red one and a black one . The electrical problems I had was from coil , condenser,points ,distributor and any other thing that needed electric Harnser To be fair any car from that era had to have regular maintenance, cleaning/adjusting and replacing anything ignition was the norm. If you read the forums for any make of car they all seem to have problems nowadays, some worse some better. The biggest problem is the 'weekend' mechanic can no longer fix them with a bag of tools, they all need plugging in to a computer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutt Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 To be fair any car from that era had to have regular maintenance, cleaning/adjusting and replacing anything ignition was the norm. If you read the forums for any make of car they all seem to have problems nowadays, some worse some better. The biggest problem is the 'weekend' mechanic can no longer fix them with a bag of tools, they all need plugging in to a computer. I remember it well plugs points condenser dwell timing cracks in dist caps and thats before oils and filters tappets tracking and brakes ohh nearly forgot all those grease nipples. 3000 6000 12000 miles services 3 hrs labour for a big service what you get now levels light oil filters wipe its bum and send it on it's way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosd Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Its quite comical how it is always so necessary to put Land Rovers down to justify how good Jap cars are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimotu66 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Its quite comical how it is always so necessary to put Land Rovers down to justify how good Jap cars are! Not at all, in my case I have just quoted my own experiences. I forgot to say I have also owned a Nissan Terrano which was very reliable and good on fuel, only had to weld up the rear inner arches on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keg Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) I've had a 300 TDI 90 since 2007 and only now does he need a new rear crossmember, not bad for a 19-year-old vehicle with six previous owners at least two of which were farmers. Cars need maintenance and as someone has already pointed out many people especially farmers, don't maintain their vehicles in accordance with service schedules. We also have a land cruiser that needed some bits changing. Remember these are generally 2 to 3.5 ton vehicles that are heavy on tyres, brakes and bushes. Edited October 1, 2015 by keg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redditch Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) I had three LR Series. A IIa swb petrol, a IIa lwb 6cyl petrol, and a III swb petrol. Rust wasn't a problem, and electrics easily fixed. however! Consumption of petrol, oil, and half shafts plus gearboxes as extreme :( And NO, I don't drive like a maniac Also rusting of the headlamp reflectors was an MOT fail nearly every year :( That said a good series LR or a defender is almost indestructible. A disco no thanks, a Freelander, NO WAY Edited October 1, 2015 by Redditch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodp Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 I had three LR Series. A IIa swb petrol, a IIa lwb 6cyl petrol, and a III swb petrol. Rust wasn't a problem, and electrics easily fixed. however! Consumption of petrol, oil, and half shafts plus gearboxes as extreme :( And NO, I don't drive like a maniac Also rusting of the headlamp reflectors was an MOT fail nearly every year :( That said a good series LR or a defender is almost indestructible. A disco no thanks, a Freelander, NO WAY Gear boxes on a series We all know series 3 synchro's wore on 1st and 2nd but boxes were strong, especially 2a. Who built the boxes and what did they do to them ? Curious about this one. Don't tell me you bought a box off Craddocks please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedsanity Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 If they made one million Toyota pickups and one hundred million landys it makes sense that you will hear about 100 times as many breakdowns in land rovers, percentage wise it's the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchman Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 my mate yesterday sold his landrover........it had a dent on the door and the sill was all bent...............he bought it 4 and a half years ago for £7200.....we replaced the front axel seals....steering box seal...and new brake pads... he sold it for £7000..............not bad for all that motoring and a bit of maintenance....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B391 Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) I have driven more makes of 4x4 than I can remember from very expensive to small and cheap and most pick ups. All have their issues. I have owned 1 x RR, 2 x Defenders [M plate 300 4yrs 05 to 09 and 59 plate Puma 4 yrs from new], 1 x Freelander 1 and 2 x Freelander 2's and none have failed me and they have been all over the UK and Europe and all used from shopping to commuting to motorways and plenty of track and proper off road including the Freelanders. as mentioned before - just service them properly and they looked after me including the 300 which I bought as a rolling restoration and even then it did not let me down. I used the 300 tow a friend dead L200 a couple of times and a relatives Jap 4x4. I think a load rollocks is spoken about LRs. any cars can breakdown, less so if you look after them and drive them properly. I am an active member on a couple of LR forums and many times issues are due to poor servicing, misuse or parts that are considered consumables and that includes items such as the famous MAF OK - I know - time to get off my soap box, just my experiences and opinion from observations PS - I did make quite a number of improvements to my Defender Puma and sold it for more than I paid for it new after 4 years - work that one out, I am still suprised! Edited October 24, 2015 by B391 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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